Blue Jays Discussion: The Vladimir Guerrero Jr. injury overreaction thread

[Discoverer]

That was last season I believe. His mother passed away. I don't remember hearing about him missing any time this year.

Didn't pass away... she was battling cancer.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Didn't pass away... she was battling cancer.

Ah okay.

 

[Suntouchable13]

You keep saying this kind of stuff over and over again, but I still don't get the impression you've done any more analysis than just looking at the names in the lineup.

It's a good lineup, top to bottom, against both righties and lefties. You would realize that if you made any effort at all to look at the kinds of numbers the players have had the last couple years.

OK, that's great then. Hope we keep it up.

 

[Discoverer]

OK, that's great then. Hope we keep it up.

They won't keep it up. They're averaging 6 runs per game right now, on pace for nearly 1000 total. No one does that anymore. But they'll keep scoring at a decent rate because they have a good lineup.

 

[Suntouchable13]

They won't keep it up. They're averaging 6 runs per game right now. But they'll keep scoring at a decent rate because they have a good lineup.

What I meant was, hope they keep playing well, not the 6 runs per game.

 

[Kurtz]

Any news on JD? Last update I'd heard was two days ago, which was that he was tossing the ball around with no pain or discomfort. Would be great to have him DH for us tomorrow, although perhaps having him back Tuesday for the series opener against the Sox may be more realistic?

Sox also got no-hit tonight by the A's.

 

[Suntouchable13]

How can a team that hot get no hit? Wow.

 

[HellasLEAF]

The Jays depth is really impressive.

Like, who are all these guys lol. Some great additions in and about to come in.

 

[The Nemesis]

ChiSox's Farquhar suffered brain hemorrhage

one-time Blue Jay Danny Farquhar suffered a brain hemorrhage while in the White Sox dugout on Friday night. He's currently in hospital in stable but critical condition.

That's freaking scary. And awful.

 

[Marcobruin]

These runs they're scoring will stoo.I look at their line up and its mediocre at best so when the hitting settles down and theyre starting pitching isn't great.they will begin to fall.They dont even have an ACE.. A player like JD would have helped their offense greatly. Whenever TUlo gets back...Trade him. let him go to another teams injury list

 

[Eyedea]

These runs they're scoring will stoo.I look at their line up and its mediocre at best so when the hitting settles down and theyre starting pitching isn't great.they will begin to fall.They dont even have an ACE.. A player like JD would have helped their offense greatly. Whenever TUlo gets back...Trade him. let him go to another teams injury list

Couple of number twos, three mid rotation starters, what’s to complain about? Unless of course we’re going to suggest that Stroman et al are terrible now after four starts.

And the lineup being mediocre at best is a facade that many people would probably assume of this team. The flexibility and ability to spread plate appearances and put players into positions that will help them succeed says otherwise. The platooning and competitive dynamic of the roster is how the Rays were routinely finding themselves in the playoffs since their WS appearance.

 

[Gargyn]

These runs they're scoring will stoo.I look at their line up and its mediocre at best so when the hitting settles down and theyre starting pitching isn't great.they will begin to fall.They dont even have an ACE.. A player like JD would have helped their offense greatly. Whenever TUlo gets back...Trade him. let him go to another teams injury list

Tulo is untradeable. Unless you’re attaching Vladdy or Bichette to him and that’s not happening.

 

[Marcobruin]

Couple of number twos, three mid rotation starters, what’s to complain about? Unless of course we’re going to suggest that Stroman et al are terrible now after four starts.

And the lineup being mediocre at best is a facade that many people would probably assume of this team. The flexibility and ability to spread plate appearances and put players into positions that will help them succeed says otherwise. The platooning and competitive dynamic of the roster is how the Rays were routinely finding themselves in the playoffs since their WS appearance.

I actually do think Stroman is overrated. i don't see this line up getting them in the playoffs and certainly not a WS. Tampa was an exception and how many WS did they have? Also one might attribute it to the brilliance of their ex.manager

 

[Marcobruin]

Tulo is untradeable. Unless you’re attaching Vladdy or Bichette to him and that’s not happening.

Yip their stuck with him

 

[Eyedea]

I actually do think Stroman is overrated. i don't see this line up getting them in the playoffs and certainly not a WS. Tampa was an exception and how many WS did they have? Also one might attribute it to the brilliance of their ex.manager

Well give me your analysis on what makes him overrated, considering the fact that he was a top 20 pitcher last season.

And how exactly was Tampa an exception? I’m not saying they didn’t have star power (Longo, Zobrist, Crawford, Price), but they surrounded them with great depth and platoon pieces, like the Jays have been trying to do. Yes, they didn’t win a world series, but do you expect every great team to win a world series?

 

[Marcobruin]

Well give me your analysis on what makes him overrated, considering the fact that he was a top 20 pitcher last season.

And how exactly was Tampa an exception? I’m not saying they didn’t have star power (Longo, Zobrist, Crawford, Price), but they surrounded them with great depth and platoon pieces, like the Jays have been trying to do. Yes, they didn’t win a world series, but do you expect every great team to win a world series?

I see you set your standards quite low.
TB making the playoffs once is something to model your team by. As Mentioned they also had arguably the best manager in the game. TB IS a team which is cash strapped Tor isn't. They draw over 3M fans last season and who do they go get? garbage .

Stroman, allows many runs per game and tons of homers. The jays get him runs . They had their ace in Noah and traded him.
Stroman for Noah...what do you say?
laughable right? Exactly overrated.
He does not have Ace stuff in fact Sanchez has better stuff then him

 

[Suntouchable13]

Couple of number twos, three mid rotation starters, what’s to complain about? Unless of course we’re going to suggest that Stroman et al are terrible now after four starts.

And the lineup being mediocre at best is a facade that many people would probably assume of this team. The flexibility and ability to spread plate appearances and put players into positions that will help them succeed says otherwise. The platooning and competitive dynamic of the roster is how the Rays were routinely finding themselves in the playoffs since their WS appearance.

So Sanchez is a number 2?

 

[Eyedea]

I see you set your standards quite low.
TB making the playoffs once is something to model your team by. As Mentioned they also had arguably the best manager in the game. TB IS a team which is cash strapped Tor isn't. They draw over 3M fans last season and who do they go get? garbage .

Stroman, allows many runs per game and tons of homers. The jays get him runs . They had their ace in Noah and traded him.
Stroman for Noah...what do you say?
laughable right? Exactly overrated.
He does not have Ace stuff in fact Sanchez has better stuff then him

Oh you’re one of those people, okay.

 

[Eyedea]

So Sanchez is a number 2?

Well he was before the blisters, and his change up looks really good right now so I’m not ruling it out.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Well he was before the blisters, and his change up looks really good right now so I’m not ruling it out.

I thought he still has potential to be a #1/ace.

 

[Marcobruin]

Oh you’re one of those people, okay.

One of those ppl? You mean one who might be seeing the team for what it is.
Yes I am..
Try sticking to the point instead of labelling

 

[Marcobruin]

So Sanchez is a number 2?

Sanchez is a better pitcher then Stroman.yet it seems stroman gets so much hype. Stroman as you know also has a serious disadvantage. ...size . Wouldn't be surprised if at one point in his career he becomes a full time reliever

 

[Marcobruin]

How can a team that hot get no hit? Wow.

I was thinking the same.of all the teams to get no hit at this point .I would not have thought the Red sox but hey manaea congrats

 

[Nineteen67]

I see you set your standards quite low.
TB making the playoffs once is something to model your team by. As Mentioned they also had arguably the best manager in the game. TB IS a team which is cash strapped Tor isn't. They draw over 3M fans last season and who do they go get? garbage .

Stroman, allows many runs per game and tons of homers. The jays get him runs . They had their ace in Noah and traded him.
Stroman for Noah...what do you say?
laughable right? Exactly overrated.
He does not have Ace stuff in fact Sanchez has better stuff then him

Statistically, Stroman is a very good pitcher as is Aaron Sanchez.

If you just want to use the naked eye to analyze them, they’re still pretty damned good, IMO.

 

[Eyedea]

One of those ppl? You mean one who might be seeing the team for what it is.
Yes I am..
Try sticking to the point instead of labelling

So if I presented you facts that proved Stroman is good, like you know, the stats, would you then agree with me? If I told you the Rays made the playoffs more than once, would you agree that they had a successful model of building, or just continually suggest that Maddon managed them from 60 wins to 90 wins on the regular?

Try not talking in absolutes when you have nothing to back them up