The Physicality Myth

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  1. Menzinger

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    Yes it’s absurd because at best it’s a placebo.

    You don’t sit a player like Kapanen or Johnsson that.
     
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    Who said you do that? Komarov is a candidate. So is Plekanec. Leivo in for Plekanec and Martin in for Komarov.

    Placebos are very effective. The mind is a very powerful thing.

    What's the worst that could happen? Losing game 3? Sort of heading there already aren't we?
     
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    Marner says Kadri is 'a big brother to this team ... a protector out there'

    Disappointed by the length of suspension to Nazem Kadri, Mitch Marner says that the team will feel his absence, and that he is a big brother to many of the younger players.

    https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/marner...er-to-this-team-a-protector-out-there~1371094
     
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    Kadri out and now Komarov out and those are Leafs 2 most physical forwards in terms of hitting and able to play the Bruins game.

    An already soft team got even softer now and Bruins are going to exploit that Leaf weakness even more now.

    It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Matt Martin back in the line-up in game #3.
     
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    I haven't seen Komarov hit anyone recently I don't think it's a huge loss to be honest.
     
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    Kerby Rychel would look pretty good on our 4th line right now...
     
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    thewave Nazem Kadri #1 Fan

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    Like Kenny Rogers is outside our window?
     
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    This. Good riddance. At least it will force Babcocks hand to play Martin.
     
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    yubbers Weekend at Babsies

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    Do you see why we should spend JVR money on a guy like Simmonds now?

    So done with that cupcake
     
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    Everyone laughed when I said/say Martin needs to play...I don't get it. We have enough talented forwards who can score...well should be able to score.

    I love it though physical play is a " myth " just to funny. That being said Martin is not going to stop the top Bruins line...I don't think anyone can best chance is Kadri this team is SOFT playoffs are showing that. You don't have to be big tough guy to play physical with some grit....it will be fixed next year at least I hope...

    Lets tie the series and make it at interesting to watch
     
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    yubbers Weekend at Babsies

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    And the nerf hockey fans still can't admit they're wrong. The game hasn't changed that much when it matters
     
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    Nope and all the other matchups seem to be even more physical then this one. JVR what a beast that guy can be if he had some physical game. Hyman is the type of player I love...not the best skills but he will do it all or at least try
     
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    All year on HF it’s been small, skilled fast players are what we need. People were upset when we even drafted anyone big because it was the “old way” to play in the NHL.

    Now, where are those posters? They’re just as shook as the Leafs in these playoffs. The fact remains you need sandpaper and grit and “being a man” in addition to skill. I watch all of the playoffs (not just the Leafs) and hitting is real. Aggression is part of the game and we have none.

    Luckily I think our ownership and management will correct this. Too many soft players on this roster.
     
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    Having Matt Martin in the lineup wouldn't have made any difference so far in the series. The Leafs are being out hustled, out skilled, out smarted and out scored. It's not the Bruins' physical game that's been obstructing our kids, it's our kids who are obstructing their own way and our vets are napping and doing absolutely nothing to help. A young core of players without much playoff experience in the oppositions barn is ripe for the taking. This is where we need our vets and coaching to be the calming presence. None of our vets have made any sort of impact and if anything, guys like Gardiner/ Hainsey/ JVR/ Bozak/ Polak have been soft as butter and have been absolute turnover machines. When your vets get flustered, it's very hard for the kids to stay calm.
     
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    Need skilled players that are not scared. They have to be willing to get in someone's face or use their body. We have guys in this series afraid to take a check and that's why we are losing.

    Martin is not the difference maker. Guys that get in their faces and don't get pushed around win.
     
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    You fail to realize how guys like Martin help skill play their game.
     
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    I don't want to knock Martin in any way. Believe me, if I had it my way, all of Martin, AJ and Leivo would be in the lineup and Moore, Turtleneck and Leo would be sitting.
     
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    I agree with you. I would love it if our team had more Kadris. But we have what we have.
     
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    This series in terms of physicality and punishment could really be labeled ;

    Pit Bulls vs Poodles

    With the Pit Bulls dominating in all aspects of the game enforcing their will upon the Poodles.
     
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    Which is?
     
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    Maybe Hunter knew what he was doing when he was drafting some grit, size, and physicality. You'd be surprised at how effectively those 3 traits can negate talent. Obviously, it's a generalization. It's not toughness>talent. However, I always thought a team should be a swiss army knife. Versatile and can adapt to any situation.
     
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    no ****ing way Marner is anywhere near 175 pounds
    team lacks confidence and Babcock is pushing the line match nonsense
    the team needs to play their game not trying to match the bruins game
     
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    Which is what? The swagger and confidence a guy like that instils helps the skilled players stay even keel and play their game.
     
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    The big, heavy, physical Bruins team is also full of skill and highend talent as the Bergeron line is demonstrating & can play the game anyway they want, while the the Leafs can really only play the game one way as its built on speed and skill and lacks size and toughness.

    If you contain the speed by disrupting the rush you have all but eliminated the Leafs and their greatest ability.
     
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