Speculation: The Offseason: II (All Offseason Wishlist/Strategy Talk)

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Part I here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2214579

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[PK Cronin]

They're not being rewarded. They signed Kovalchuk for him to play. I just don't understand why anyone would be clamoring for the Devils to get more "punishment". They didn't do anything.

They signed Kovalchuk to play for them...with a ridiculous contract to circumvent the cap. They didn't get punished adequately for that. I understand what you're saying, but I'm displeased that they're going to be able to trade him for assets when they didn't lose what they should've originally.

 

[Richie Daggers Crime]

They signed Kovalchuk to play for them...with a ridiculous contract to circumvent the cap.

They did what others were already doing. They didn't break any rules. Granted, they went way further than anyone else had, egregiously tested the limits, and it was right for the league to step in and put the kibosh on something that obviously stretched the limits of reason.

But in the end, they restructured the deal, were punished (for not actually breaking the rules) and didn't even get to use the player for anywhere close to the term of the deal. IMO, it's petty and vindictive to wish more punishment on them. They signed the player and lost him due to no fault of their own. It's only right, IMO, they get to either sign him to play or trade him for assets.

 

[Jester9881]

They forfeited a 3rd rounder and got a fine. In return they got the player and a trip to the finals. The player "retired" at a convenient time, and is now slated to come back at another convenient time so the Devils can collect compensation? If there is even a shred of truth to Karma existing, that team owes back big time.

Not only did they get away with it, after being warned.... but unless they get back a 3rd rounder or less, they stand to benefit further from it.

 

[Roof Daddy]

Oilers fan here, just confirming what you already know, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH JORDAN EBERLE. The guy is completely useless. Might be the weakest player on the puck in the entire NHL. Slow release, average skating, zero physicality, zero interest in going to the dirty areas. But he can dangle and toe drag.

With that out of the way, I have a question: What do you guys plan to do with your protection list? I've seen suggestions you guys would protect 5D?

Just curious if you guys would consider dealing Pulock? What about Ethan Bear for Pulock? Just named WHL Defenceman of the year, plays with Matt Barzal in Seattle, NHL projection could range anywhere from Ryan Ellis to MAB. Still has all 3 ELC years, but also probably 2 years away. Possible, or not a chance?

 

[boredmale]

With that out of the way, I have a question: What do you guys plan to do with your protection list? I've seen suggestions you guys would protect 5D?

I think we honestly have no clue what Snow is going to. If we do the 5 defenseman thing then that means Nelson and Strome are exposed. Sort of sucks for us that we really don't have the top end talent(save Tavares) but we will get screwed in the expansion draft because we have a better then average middle of the pack talent.

I wouldn't be surprised if Snow works out a bunch of trades to either trade guys like Nelson, Strome, De Haan or Pulock and give us a workable protection list were we end up losing Bailey, Cizikas or Hickey while we make trades after the draft using the assets acquired for similar level players(Say trade Nelson for a first rounder then use that first rounder to try get a player from a different team).

Just curious if you guys would consider dealing Pulock? What about Ethan Bear for Pulock? Just named WHL Defenceman of the year, plays with Matt Barzal in Seattle, NHL projection could range anywhere from Ryan Ellis to MAB. Still has all 3 ELC years, but also probably 2 years away. Possible, or not a chance?

Nothing against Bear but I seen many of guys score at a high level in junior only to go on to unspectacular careers. Personally I think Pulock is a borderline bluechip prospect while Bear is a B-level prospect, i would expect more out of a trade for Pulock(probably try put Pulock/De Haan + Strome/Nelson + our first to see what it would get us).

 

[MessierII]

Oilers fan here, just confirming what you already know, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH JORDAN EBERLE. The guy is completely useless. Might be the weakest player on the puck in the entire NHL. Slow release, average skating, zero physicality, zero interest in going to the dirty areas. But he can dangle and toe drag.

With that out of the way, I have a question: What do you guys plan to do with your protection list? I've seen suggestions you guys would protect 5D?

Just curious if you guys would consider dealing Pulock? What about Ethan Bear for Pulock? Just named WHL Defenceman of the year, plays with Matt Barzal in Seattle, NHL projection could range anywhere from Ryan Ellis to MAB. Still has all 3 ELC years, but also probably 2 years away. Possible, or not a chance?

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

 

[eoin92]

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

Ryan Freaking Pulock eh? I had no idea he had a middle name. You also don't trade a guy who's name is bear. Bears scare the crap of russian guys like Bryzgalov.

 

[PWJunior]

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

I doubt anyone here gives a rat's ass. Go drink more Kool-Aid on your home board.

 

[Konk]

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

Pulock just put up 15-31-46 in 55 AHL games.

Ethan Freaking Bear is not even close to Pulock.

 

[SI90]

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

Islander fan confirming we're ok with that! We'll keep Ryan Freaking Pulock

 

[YearlyLottery]

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

I hope your other 11,000 posts are not as bad as this one.

 

[lazycop]

Oilers fan here, just confirming what you already know, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH JORDAN EBERLE. The guy is completely useless. Might be the weakest player on the puck in the entire NHL. Slow release, average skating, zero physicality, zero interest in going to the dirty areas. But he can dangle and toe drag.

With that out of the way, I have a question: What do you guys plan to do with your protection list? I've seen suggestions you guys would protect 5D?

Just curious if you guys would consider dealing Pulock? What about Ethan Bear for Pulock? Just named WHL Defenceman of the year, plays with Matt Barzal in Seattle, NHL projection could range anywhere from Ryan Ellis to MAB. Still has all 3 ELC years, but also probably 2 years away. Possible, or not a chance?

You talking about Jordan Okposo or Kyle Eberle?

 

[Roof Daddy]

I think we honestly have no clue what Snow is going to. If we do the 5 defenseman thing then that means Nelson and Strome are exposed. Sort of sucks for us that we really don't have the top end talent(save Tavares) but we will get screwed in the expansion draft because we have a better then average middle of the pack talent.

I wouldn't be surprised if Snow works out a bunch of trades to either trade guys like Nelson, Strome, De Haan or Pulock and give us a workable protection list were we end up losing Bailey, Cizikas or Hickey while we make trades after the draft using the assets acquired for similar level players(Say trade Nelson for a first rounder then use that first rounder to try get a player from a different team).




Nothing against Bear but I seen many of guys score at a high level in junior only to go on to unspectacular careers. Personally I think Pulock is a borderline bluechip prospect while Bear is a B-level prospect, i would expect more out of a trade for Pulock(probably try put Pulock/De Haan + Strome/Nelson + our first to see what it would get us).

Thanks for the insight. Obviously none of us fans know what our GM will do exactly, but some you can project easier than others. For the Oil it appears pretty easy, for you guys and a team like Anaheim there are probably a dozen scenarios that would still leave half the fan base furious.

As for your analysis of my suggestion, makes sense that IF you have to move him, you look for a package deal to land an upgrade. I do think Bear has very good upside (not to the same level the other Oiler poster does, yikes) and will be an NHL regular, just a question of what kind of player? Bottom pair PP specialist (a la MAB), or do everything 2nd pair guy (a la poor man's Ryan Ellis). My guess is somewhere in between.

Any interest in Nuge as a 2C then? Maybe Nuge + 1st (22nd) for Pulock, Halak (salary purposes), +1st (15th)?

Maybe I'm oddly obsessed with Pulock, but I'd really like to see our PP with a RH rocket from the point. I just think it would open so many more lanes for McDavid if teams had to respect our point shot more.

 

[boredmale]

Any interest in Nuge as a 2C then? Maybe Nuge + 1st (22nd) for Pulock, Halak (salary purposes), +1st (15th)?

One issue with this is we go from the problem of having to protect Pulock who might get picked if he is exposed to the problem of we will have to protect Hopkins who definitely would get picked if exposed. Still leaves the problem that Nelson and Strome are exposed(or De Haan if we do 7-3-1)

I personally would do the trade but I honestly think the Oilers could get more then Pulock on the trade market for Hopkins

 

[Jester9881]

I think you would see Snow trade for picks before trading for other prospects. Similar to what he did with Reinhart.... maybe he takes a mulligan on Nelson for a 1st?

Then he hopefully uses those assets on a 2C

 

[DarkHorse]

At least someone's excited...

 

[seafoam]

Other Oiler fan confirming that there's no way in hell we give up Bear for Ryan freaking Pulock. Terrible idea. Bear is not available.

What if we add Harmonic?

 

[blitzkriegs]

I think you would see Snow trade for picks before trading for other prospects. Similar to what he did with Reinhart.... maybe he takes a mulligan on Nelson for a 1st?

Then he hopefully uses those assets on a 2C

For as much as Isles fans don't like Nelson, he's a consistent 20 goal scorer (3 seasons in a row), 25yrs old, and an RFA at the end of his current contract. You don't trade that for a 1st round pick just to get an asset or avoid expansion. You trade for a player. He's an attractive asset to another team that needs scoring.

 

[boredmale]

For as much as Isles fans don't like Nelson, he's a consistent 20 goal scorer (3 seasons in a row), 25yrs old, and an RFA at the end of his current contract. You don't trade that for a 1st round pick just to get an asset or avoid expansion. You trade for a player. He's an attractive asset to another team that needs scoring.

If you can get a pick in the 16-20 range you have to think about it(this of coarse assuming we aren't going to protect him)

 

[blitzkriegs]

If you can get a pick in the 16-20 range you have to think about it(this of coarse assuming we aren't going to protect him)

He's perfect asset for an upgrade trade. The acquiring team gets to say what I wrote above. The Isles get to rave about their new acquisition and say 'wish him well, tough decision, need to give to get a top quality yada yada yada.'

It would be a failure if Snow had to resort to trading him for a 1st just to avoid an expansion move.

 

[IslesFanatic]

He's perfect asset for an upgrade trade. The acquiring team gets to say what I wrote above. The Isles get to rave about their new acquisition and say 'wish him well, tough decision, need to give to get a top quality yada yada yada.'

It would be a failure if Snow had to resort to trading him for a 1st just to avoid an expansion move.

Yup. Nelson would be a nice trade chip for Duchene or Johnson.

 

[Beautvillier]

What if we add Harmonic?

tarvis!

 

[seafoam]

The only way Nelson gets traded is in a package for a true second line center.

 

[blitzkriegs]

Yup. Nelson would be a nice trade chip for Duchene or Johnson.

Exactly. Not a Johnson fan though, so pass on acquiring him.