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Debatable whether you want to put that price on Trouba right now and buy up those UFA years. Buff isn't so much about the money as the supposed term.
News Article: The Numbers are In! Buff/Ladd/Trouba 152 Mill?
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Debatable whether you want to put that price on Trouba right now and buy up those UFA years. Buff isn't so much about the money as the supposed term.
raideralex99
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I would pay Trouba in a heartbeat $7 million for 8 years ... heck in 3 years all top 10 defencemen will be getting 9-10 million per season. Yes right now it might seem a lot but you have to look down the line which will be a steal paying Trouba $7 million in 2020.
As for Buff pick your poison ... more money for short term or less money for long term.
As for Buff pick your poison ... more money for short term or less money for long term.
More money short term. I'd be okay with $7-8 x 5 for Buff at this point as long as we trade Ladd. Buff and Trouba will be our top pairing for the next 5 years.
raideralex99
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Seriously Buff is THIRD in scoring for defencemen ... and you don't want to re-sign.
Every Stanley Cup winner has a good scoring defenceman.
Every Stanley Cup winner has a good scoring defenceman.
Seriously Buff is THIRD in scoring for defencemen ... and you don't want to re-sign.
Every Stanley Cup winner has a good scoring defenceman.
Buff has 21 points and that puts him in 10th not 3rd......
He is third in goals tho.
I wouldn't trade him though.
I'd sign him for 40 over 5.
- Ladd is asking for $41m over 6 years - cap hit 6.8m per = "Trade me I hate it here, preferably somewhere warm"
- Buff asking for $55m over 8 - cap hit of 6.875 = "Trade me I hate it here,preferably somewhere warm"
- Trouba asking for $56 over 8 - cap hit of 7m per = "Trade me I hate it here,preferably somewhere warm"
- Buff asking for $55m over 8 - cap hit of 6.875 = "Trade me I hate it here,preferably somewhere warm"
- Trouba asking for $56 over 8 - cap hit of 7m per = "Trade me I hate it here,preferably somewhere warm"
Because they all want long term contracts to stay here? Relatively reasonable opening asks from players. Where everything lands is what is important.
Agreed we don't know where it will land...... it might not land anywhere.
But when you are starting out your bargaining 30% high and maximum term you are asking for the world. Maybe that's normal in these situations but I wouldn't know I have never taken part in one.
Well, Trouba's agent has flatly denied the reported numbers. The only thing he'll say is that they're waiting til the offseason to begin talks.
Buff and Ladd have a lot of negotiating power - they're unsigned and headed to UFA.
Buff will be able to write his own ticket if he goes to UFA - he's worth $7M x 7 to someone. If that's the case, then asking $6.8M x 8 isn't outrageous at all.
Ladd's had a rough start to the year. He's outplayed his current contract and probably feels he deserves some retro pay. He's still asking too much, but hey, it doesn't hurt to ask. I'd be surprised if he got $6M AAV as a UFA - though it depends on the rest of his season, the cap, who else is available and where the Canadian dollar is at.
The opening asking price seems relatively consistent with the rumoured starting points for a couple good comparables to Buff and Trouba. Apparently Gio started at 8 years X $9 M and Hamilton at $7+ M.
I have a hard time deciding what to do with Buff and Ladd. On one hand they could give the team decent value through there mid 30's ala Hossa and Sharp in Chicago. But there is substantial risk as well, just look at Anaheim, they locked up all of their aging core in Getzlaf, Perry and Kesler to crazy long term deals. Well Kesler is on pace of 30 points, Perry for 50 and Getzlaf for 55? Is this just poor year for all of them or is this the start of a steady decline. If it is Anaheim is sunk with committing over 20 million for the 3 of them.
Not sure if these numbers are accurate but.....
Top 3 D Scorers so far this year
Eric Karlson 6.5 AAS 37 Points
John Klingberg 4.25 AAS 28 Points 34 Games
Brent Burns 5.7 AAS 28 Pts AAS 33 Games
Elite defensemen seem to make 7+ ie Kris Letang, Drew Doughty, OE Larsen ect.
Is trouba a comparable to an elite D?
56 X 8 Is a huge commitment to a thus far average, maybe a bit above average D.
Personally I thought he has lost a step but I haven't been watching the games lately.
Should longer term = more $$$?
Definitely something I am not getting here.
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The way Buff has been playing this season, he needs to be resigned. Price be damned. He is so far ahead of other defenseman we have and on a completely other level that it's not even funny.
Defining Trouba's value is not an easy task IMO. He has plateaued a bit, but there remains huge potential. He still could become that coveted true #1. Saying that he is already a legit 2nd pairing d-man and even those get paid well.
Doughty and Karlsson are only comparables in theory as both are much further along at the same age. But I see Trouba signing that length of contract but at a lower cap hit. Maybe 6 or 7 years at $5 - 5.5 M. You get paid well, but you have left the door open for the monster UFA contract at the height of your game in your late 20's. But if you level off the team isn't on the hook for some crazy amount.
When Karlsson's and Doughty's contracts expire expect them both to be easily $10+ M players. I'd love for us to be in the same boat with Trouba. In terms of Klingberg he really should get himself an agent
Exactly, if we were to trade Buff, would everyone be happy with Myers and Trouba as our two top RHD? I'd much rather sign Buff for as long as 6 years. Put whatever you need with Myers and pick up Hamonic. Our d would be something like...
Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Hamonic
Stuart Postma/Chiarot
Morrissey and Kostalek in the wings soon.
raideralex99
Whiteout Is Coming.
A smart GM never pays for a contract year. Need to look at the full body of work. I'd pass on Buff, and leaning towards passing on Ladd.
I don't disagree. Chevy mid-judged our new young talent and how good of a team we'd be this season.
puck stoppa
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His agent must've told him, you're gone at the deadline if you're not signed, Buff must be in the same boat. Fun deadline this time around, especially if we suck.
GoJetsGo55
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Love it! My biggest fear is that we hold on to Ladd and Buff and they end up walking for nothing. Good to know that shouldn't be the case.
