The MLD 2012 Thread I

[TheDevilMadeMe]

If that is correct (and I assume you are), then Lester Patrick was the first to use 2 lines. He did that in the 1925 Stanley Cup challenge. Apparently, he knew his guys couldn't keep up to Morenz and Joliat all game, so he employed a two lines so they would always be fresh, and they'd be able to give more effort.

We'll give Odie credit for being the first guy smart enough to copy Patrick!

Quite possible that Patrick used it as a specific strategy to contain Morenz and Joliat during the 1925 Cup finals, and Cleghorn saw the success and then became the first one to use it as a full time season long strategy

 

[Dreakmur]

Quite possible that Patrick used it as a specific strategy to contain Morenz and Joliat during the 1925 Cup finals, and Cleghorn saw the success and then became the first one to use it as a full time season long strategy

That's the reason Lester Patrick gave for introducing the tactic.

 

[Rob Scuderi]

If that is correct (and I assume you are), then Lester Patrick was the first to use 2 lines. He did that in the 1925 Stanley Cup challenge. Apparently, he knew his guys couldn't keep up to Morenz and Joliat all game, so he employed a two lines so they would always be fresh, and they'd be able to give more effort.

We'll give Odie credit for being the first guy smart enough to copy Patrick!

Lestuh it was then

Think it's possible he didn't stick with it during that next regular season (making you correct without contradicting the Pittsburgh Press's report)?

If that's the case and Odie was smart enough to copy Lester the next year then maybe that'd explain why we see both getting credit for it.

edit: missed TDDM ask the same question 5 minutes ago

 

[Michael Farkas]

I was looking for a really solid defensive player to lead the way in my bottom six (after striking out on finding a goalie that's to my liking at this pick) and I'm not sure if I'm really stretching or not...this is where my limited experience will get the best of me I fret...

Medicine Hat selects: Terry Crisp, C

I was drawn to Crisp because, well, this guy played a ton of hockey even though he didn't play for an obscene amount of time...he was a big piece of a Memorial Cup finalist in 1963, then he went to the Stanley Cup Finals in 1968, 69, 70, 74*, 75*, 76 (* - won Cup). He played in the NHL for nine seasons and made the SC Finals six times. He has a higher percentage of NHL games played in the playoffs than everyone's favorite defensive grinder Kris Draper even and Draper was on a near-dynasty his entire career.

Crisp seems like he was a cleaner, more industrious member of the Broad Street Bullies and was used to shut down top opposition (including Esposito in the '74 Finals). Scotty Bowman and Fred Shero both used him to shutdown opponents and to kill penalties, that sounds like a fine endorsement to me...is this a reach here?

 

[Dreakmur]

Think it's possible he didn't stick with it during that next regular season (making you correct without contradicting the Pittsburgh Press's report)?

Lester didn't join the NHL until the leagues merged, so he was still out west at the time of this article. Patrick may have continues his line-rolling, but since he was in another league, Odie could still have been the only one in the NHL doing so.

 

[seventieslord]

Crisp seems like he was a cleaner, more industrious member of the Broad Street Bullies and was used to shut down top opposition (including Esposito in the '74 Finals). Scotty Bowman and Fred Shero both used him to shutdown opponents and to kill penalties, that sounds like a fine endorsement to me...is this a reach here?

No, it’s not a reach, but it seems like ¾ of Philly forwards that get drafted (and they do all eventually get drafted), their GMs claim that they went up against the opposition’s best players. They couldn’t have all done it; someone had to be the primary one most often. Clarke’s reputation obviously is that he was the guy. What does that say about the others, who were all somewhat defensively responsible? Probably just that they had defensive ability but didn’t actually face the Espositos of the league that often.

 

[vecens24]

No, it’s not a reach, but it seems like ¾ of Philly forwards that get drafted (and they do all eventually get drafted), their GMs claim that they went up against the opposition’s best players. They couldn’t have all done it; someone had to be the primary one most often. Clarke’s reputation obviously is that he was the guy. What does that say about the others, who were all somewhat defensively responsible? Probably just that they had defensive ability but didn’t actually face the Espositos of the league that often.

Well said. There is another center among the Flyers of that era that will probably get drafted here soon and that person will also proclaim he went up against the best of the best. I'd be interested to see if there was a way to show who went up against the best competition for those teams.

However, Crisp does seem to be the guy that did go up against the Esposito line when they played the Bruins according to LOH and a few other sites I've read. May not have necessarily gone up against other teams' top lines though as that could have just been done because the Espo line was a high puck control line as far as I know, so it didn't make sense to have Clarke out there if his line would have difficulty getting the puck.

 

[DaveG]

Yarmouth selects C Cliff Ronning

869 points (306G, 563A) in 1137 career regular season games
86 points (29G, 57A) in 126 career playoff games

 

[tarheelhockey]

He played in the NHL for nine seasons and made the SC Finals six times.

That's a great trivia item. (no sarcasm)

 

[vecens24]

Yarmouth selects C Cliff Ronning

869 points (306G, 563A) in 1137 career regular season games
86 points (29G, 57A) in 126 career playoff games

Best Ronning story ever:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/pu...reveals-why-he-ruled-in-nhl-93?urn=nhl,wp6220

Here's the YouTube clip inside the story.

 

[Zombie Mike Murphy]

Going off the board, but I think this guy has been overlooked, as his numbers are good for his time period.

John Sorrell played for three different teams as a junior and was signed as a Montreal Canadiens, though never played a game for the fabled team. In 1929, he was traded to the Detroit Falcons where he became a steady scorer and helped the team win consecutive Stanley Cups in 1936 and 1937.
After nine years in Detroit, Sorrell was traded to the New York Americans where he spent the rest of his NHL career. He retired from the league in the 1940-41 season and spent his remaining playing days in the AHL with both the Hershey Bears and Indianapolis Capitols, turning to coaching in the 1945-46 season.

246 pts in 490 NHL regular season games
27 pts in 42 playoff games

 

[vecens24]

Going off the board, but I think this guy has been overlooked, as his numbers are good for his time period.

246 pts in 490 NHL regular season games
27 pts in 42 playoff games

Good pick here. He was a guy that I considered as early as the 4th or 5th round. Good goal scoring record, just doesn't provide much else other than that and speed. Solid pick.

I'm pretty sure it's not off the board either. He went in the ATD last time if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Hedberg]

Going off the board, but I think this guy has been overlooked, as his numbers are good for his time period.

Hardly off the board - this is right around where Sorrell usually goes (actually about 100 picks lower than last year).

 

[Rob Scuderi]

Going off the board, but I think this guy has been overlooked, as his numbers are good for his time period.

246 pts in 490 NHL regular season games
27 pts in 42 playoff games

Yeah no doubt Sorrell has to be the be best scorer of his decade left, good pick. As Vecens said we had to pass because he was one-dimensional (needed someone to play with Cloutier and Breen), but he's a very good second liner and with the right linemates no one will care he was just a speedy scorer.

 

[seventieslord]

Yeah, Sorrell is not off the board at all. He had always gone in the ATD and no one really questioned it, but he fell this time and ended up on my shortlist. It became clear early on that his fall to the MLD was well-warranted (if it wasn’t he would have stood out as one of the very best heading in, and he didn’t).

Eddie Wiseman was a far superior pick, and with toughness considered, Warwick was a better player too. But by now Sorrell was the most offensively accomplished pre-expansion winger (by a good 8% margin) so he was ripe for the taking.

We are now officially 1000 picks into the ATD process. Looking back at last year’s 1000 pick ATD, there are 99 picks left from it. It’s always interesting to see how long it takes for them all to get taken. This year we will probably not even get that far (especially for some of those obscure assistant coaches)

 

[Dreakmur]

Hopefully, you can dig up some more on Sorrell's two-way game. I've seen one quote suggesting he was an excellent checker, but haven't really looked into that much.

He was my #1 choice for 3rd line LW.

 

[Michael Farkas]

No, it’s not a reach, but it seems like ¾ of Philly forwards that get drafted (and they do all eventually get drafted), their GMs claim that they went up against the opposition’s best players. They couldn’t have all done it; someone had to be the primary one most often. Clarke’s reputation obviously is that he was the guy. What does that say about the others, who were all somewhat defensively responsible? Probably just that they had defensive ability but didn’t actually face the Espositos of the league that often.

That's fair.

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/SearchPlayer.jsp?player=12370

says:

In the 1974 Stanley Cup finals against Boston, it was Crisp's job to shut down the likes of Ken Hodge and Phil Esposito, which he carried out with amazing success.

In the 1975 finals, Crisp and the other defensive specialists on the Flyers were assigned to shut down the "French Connection" consisting of Gil Perreault, Rick Martin, and Rene Robert.

Not sure that justifies it or not, but that's where I got that idea, for the record.

 

[vecens24]

Hopefully, you can dig up some more on Sorrell's two-way game. I've seen one quote suggesting he was an excellent checker, but haven't really looked into that much.

He was my #1 choice for 3rd line LW.

I know that both BBS and I looked and we couldn't find anything.

 

[Dreakmur]

I know that both BBS and I looked and we couldn't find anything.

Here's the one quote I was talking about:

BEST SKATER
Johhny Sorrell, a speedster as well as an accomplished checker, was Detroit's most valuable player throughout much of the 1930s.

 

[DaveG]

Yeah, Sorrell is not off the board at all. He had always gone in the ATD and no one really questioned it, but he fell this time and ended up on my shortlist. It became clear early on that his fall to the MLD was well-warranted (if it wasn’t he would have stood out as one of the very best heading in, and he didn’t).

Eddie Wiseman was a far superior pick, and with toughness considered, Warwick was a better player too. But by now Sorrell was the most offensively accomplished pre-expansion winger (by a good 8% margin) so he was ripe for the taking.

We are now officially 1000 picks into the ATD process. Looking back at last year’s 1000 pick ATD, there are 99 picks left from it. It’s always interesting to see how long it takes for them all to get taken. This year we will probably not even get that far (especially for some of those obscure assistant coaches)

I'm honestly hoping that some of the assistants aren't picked. A few were just flat out bad selections.

 

[tony d]

I'm on my 12 hour shifts now at work so that my clock doesn't run out and I get penalized who wants to take a list for me?

 

[Dreakmur]

I'm on my 12 hour shifts now at work so that my clock doesn't run out and I get penalized who wants to take a list for me?

As long as you trust me not to scoop you, I can take it.

 

[tony d]

As long as you trust me not to scoop you, I can take it.

Right on, I'll pm it to you now.

Edit: List sent via MSN to Dave G and via pm to Dreakmur.

 

[tarheelhockey]

With our 13th pick, 197th overall, the Winston-Salem Polar Twins select:

Jim Riley, LW

A scoring star in the PCHA, Riley will figure into the Twins' top-9 and power play units. ​

PCHA First All Star 1923
PCHA Second All Star 1920, 1921, 1922
PCHA Championship 1917, 1920

- A large man by 1920s standards.
- 2nd in goals - 1921 and 1922
- His goal scoring during his prime early-20s seasons compares closely to that of Frank Foyston and other contemporary stars.
- Great all-round athlete who played major league baseball during the summer, and continued to play that sport after his hockey retirement.
- Lost some career longevity due to military service and multi-sport commitments.

 

[Velociraptor]

Sherbrooke selects Orest Kindrachuk, C/LW

Me and Dwight have drafted him every MLD, a great leader and defensive forward. He will centre the third line, and be the captain of the Castors.

Someone please notify Dreak and TDMM.