The Hockey News Top 100 Players

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  1. Leaf Lander

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    Can somone get me a copy of The Hockey News Top 100 Players

    I have the top 50 but i need the other 50


    http://slam.canoe.ca/Gretzky/gretzky_top50.html

    Ty Hockey Outside and BM67
     
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  2. Ogopogo*

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    The Hockey News list is inherently flawed. It was based on votes by many hockey people but, did they actually see every player play from 1917 to the present? How could they possibly vote for players they have never seen in action?

    A list like this without Cy Denneny in the top 15 is a complete travesty.
     
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    What do you guys think about Jagr? At the time he was 37 with an arrow pointing up. From reading some post on the NHL boards some people have said that he might have played his way off of this list. Also who do you think is missing from this list? Kharlamov? Sakic? Yzerman? Brodeur? Hasek?
     
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    Sakic,Brodeur and Hasek..
     
  5. se7en*

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    No, Guy Lafleur not being #1 is a travesty! :madfire: They know nothing about hockey!
     
  6. Leaf Lander

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    warning:

    do not turn this into a lafleur debate or I'll close the thread.
     
  7. VanIslander

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    No Sakic? No Hasek?... what sport were the THN staff watching in the nineties?

    Kurri on the list but several greats not?

    Oh, how I remember the controversies over that list!
     
  8. sparr0w

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    This list was made in 1997 was it not? From that period of time on a lot of good players cemented their status as greats.
     
  9. reckoning

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    The list was done in `97 so a lot of those guys you mentioned hadn`t hit their big years yet. I remember Yzerman was the big omission that startled most people. IIRC, Yzerman, Sakic and Hasek were all in the 51-100 group, but it`s safe to say they`d be top 50 today. Patrick Roy would also likely be rated a lot higher than #35.

    About Jagr, very often with active players, their current status influences our rankings of their careers. As underachieving as he`s been lately, when he`s retired he`ll be a consensus top 50 choice. When this list was done, Eric Lindros was between 51-60. It was before the concussions and he was the dominant player in the league. If it was done now he probably wouldn`t be top 100.

    They tried to choose a panel of experts to represent all eras, but naturally the early stars do tend to get shafted. Often these lists say more about the people making them than the players on them. THN became very arrogant about the list, talking about it like it was "the definitive ranking". It`s all just opinions; and everybody has one. Change a couple of panel members and the list changes.

    Having said all that, I agree whole-heartedly with the top 3 choices. Even though I`d pick Gretzky, it`s a tough call. You can make a very convincing argument for Orr and Howe and I wouldn`t challenge it. However, I can`t see how anybody could put another player in the top 3 instead of one of those 3. There`s a huge gap between them and the rest.

    Maybe we should run a similar contest on here. Everybody makes a top 50 list; somebody adds it up giving 50 points for a 1st place vote, 49 points for a second, etc. Then we have the hfboards list. We could make it only, say the expansion era if some are worried about guys voting for Original Six players they never saw.

    I`m just curious how low some of these Gretzky bashers would put him.
     
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    Yeah, the OgoPogo Award Crunch system is much much better. You don't have to watch anyone play!
     
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    NHL2Night experts

    100 Adam Oates

    99 Dave Keon

    98 Paul Kariya

    97 George Hainsworth

    96 Joe Mullen

    95 Serge Savard

    94 Michel Goulet

    93 Darryl Sittler

    92 Borje Salming

    91 Luc Robitaille

    90 Markus Naslund

    89 Jarome Iginla

    88 Glenn Anderson

    87 Eric Lindros

    86 Phil Housley

    85 Mike Modano

    84 Rod Langway

    83 Dave Andreychuk

    82 Jean Ratelle

    81 Johnny Bower

    80 Brendan Shanahan

    79 Joe Malone

    78 Dino Ciccarelli

    77 Norm Ullman

    76 Pat LaFontaine

    75 Scott Niedermayer

    74 Denis Savard

    73 Joe Nieuwendyk

    72 Doug Gilmour

    71 Chris Chelios

    70 Chris Pronger

    69 Mike Gartner

    68 Dale Hawerchuk

    67 Jeremy Roenick

    66 Bob Gainey

    65 Pavel Bure

    64 Mark Howe

    63 Sid Abel

    62 Brian Leetch

    61 Dickie Moore

    60 Newsy Lalonde

    59 John Bucyk

    58 Alexander Mogilny

    57 Al MacInnis

    56 Yvan Cournoyer

    55 Bill Durnan

    54 Brad Park

    53 Bill Cook

    52 Scott Stevens

    51 Bernie Geoffrion


    50 Dit Clapper

    49 Max Bentley

    48 Peter Stastny

    47 Milt Schmidt

    46 Gilbert Perreault

    45 Tim Horton

    44 Tony Esposito

    43 Ken Dryden

    42 Sergei Fedorov

    41 Bob Clarke

    40 Frank Mahovlich

    39 Howie Morenz

    38 Ron Francis

    37 Henri Richard

    36 Charlie Conacher

    35 Red Kelly

    34 Grant Fuhr

    33 Paul Coffey

    32 Marcel Dionne

    31 Steve Yzerman

    30 Nicklas Lidstrom

    29 Jari Kurri

    28 Martin Brodeur

    27 Brett Hull

    26 Phil Esposito

    25 Larry Robinson

    24 Glenn Hall

    23 Denis Potvin

    22 Dominik Hasek

    21 Jaromir Jagr

    20 Terry Sawchuk

    19 Ted Lindsay

    18 Stan Mikita

    17 Peter Forsberg

    16 Joe Sakic

    15 Jacques Plante

    14 Mike Bossy

    13 Guy Lafleur

    12 Ray Bourque

    11 Mark Messier

    10 Jean Beliveau

    9 Doug Harvey

    8 Patrick Roy

    7 Eddie Shore

    6 Maurice Richard

    5 Bobby Hull

    4 Gordie Howe

    3 Mario Lemieux

    2 Bobby Orr

    1 Wayne Gretzky




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    Nice to see that Messier has moved ahead of Lafleur where he belongs.
     
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    are u trying to start something gesh


    respect my thread or get out
     
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    Sorry, I wasn't aware you were the Queen of this thread. Hail Leaf Lander, supreme ruler of the thread. :teach:
     
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    Forsberg being where he is on the NHL2NIGHT list is probably the most glaring joke on that entire list. He should be back in the 80's with Lindros.
     
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    THN did the list in 1997. A lot has changed. Sakic was just off the consideration list (86 players or something like that). It was just after he won the Conn Smythe. Now, he'd be top 50 for sure. (One of the top 15 centres ever).Yzerman, if I remember right, was the most controversial omission. He then won three Cups in six years, a Conn Smythe and an Olympic Gold on one leg. He'd be top 50. Jagr would make the top 50 again (I didn't think he belonged in the first place), but he's dropped a little after the last three years. Lindros, Stastny and Gartner were also controversial omissions. Hasek and Sakic still didn't have enough to generate controversy.

    I have the top 100 stored in my parents basement. Can't remember who's there. THN also said Lindros would be a lock for the top 75 for their 75th anniversary. Not now, not ever.

    And THN's list is a heck of a lot more accurate than a list that has Yzerman behind Markus Naslund and Kariya.
     
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  19. Ogopogo*

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    I use the eyes of the awards voters and the stats that they accumulated. Both excellent pieces of evidence.
     
  20. Ogopogo*

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    Seriously, the way Cy Denneny dominated the 20s, not having him on a top 100 list - in the top 20 - tells me that people are not doing their homework on these things. I am sure there are other glaring omissions and mistakes but, I just took a quick scan.
     
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    I'm just not that big on those early era players. Playing on stacked teams for 60 min. a game is a good mixture for padded stats. If I had to pick a player, at that time, to crack the top 50 its Bill Cowley. From readings about that time and hearing older players talk that guy sounded pretty awsome.
     
  22. tom_servo

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    Since that list went to press ('98, I believe), Jagr has won three more scoring titles, two Pearsons, a Hart, and was a Hart finalist one other time. If it can be agreed that his ranking was appropriate at the time, I see no reason why it should drop very much, if at all.
     
  23. Ogopogo*

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    I'm not talking about padding stats.

    Denneny won a scoring title and finished second four times. The man was a top 5 goal scorer 8 times. On my adjusted scoring list he is top 10.

    It doesn't matter if he played 60 minutes a game with a stacked team, he was still one of the very best players of his era. All players of his era had to play with the same rules and Denneny came out at or near the top virtually every year he played. He was dominant. When you look at how he dominated his peers compared to the rest of NHL history, he is very deserving of a top 20 spot.
     
  24. Ogopogo*

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    Guys like Ronick, Gartner, Gilmour, Francis and Lafontaine do not deserve their spots that high on this list. The voters gave modern day players more credibility than older players - because they have seen the modern day players in action. That is why these types of votes are trash. There is no possible way that they can be accurate.
     
  25. Hockey Outsider

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    Leaf Lander, here's the complete top 100:

    Rank Player
    1 Wayne Gretzky
    2 Bobby Orr
    3 Gordie Howe
    4 Mario Lemieux
    5 Maurice Richard
    6 Doug Harvey
    7 Jean Beliveau
    8 Bobby Hull
    9 Terry Sawchuk
    10 Eddie Shore
    11 Guy LaFleur
    12 Mark Messier
    13 Jacques Plante
    14 Ray Bourque
    15 Howie Morenz
    16 Glenn Hall
    17 Stan Mikita
    18 Phil Esposito
    19 Denis Potvin
    20 Mike Bossy
    21 Ted Lindsay
    22 Red Kelly
    23 Bobby Clarke
    24 Larry Robinson
    25 Ken Dryden
    26 Frank Mahovlich
    27 Milt Schmidt
    28 Paul Coffey
    29 Henri Richard
    30 Bryan Trottier
    31 Dickie Moore
    32 Newsy Lalonde
    33 Syl Apps Sr.
    34 Bill Durnan
    35 Patrick Roy
    36 Charlie Conacher
    37 Jaromir Jagr
    38 Marcel Dionne
    39 Joe Malone
    40 Chris Chelios
    41 Aubrey "Dit" Clapper
    42 Bernie Geoffrion
    43 Tim Horton
    44 Bill Cook
    45 John Bucyk
    46 George Hainsworth
    47 Gil Perreault
    48 Max Bentley
    49 Brad Park
    50 Jari Kurri
    51 Nels Stewart
    52 King Clancy
    53 Bill Cowley
    54 Eric Lindros
    55 Harvey "Busher" Jackson
    56 Peter Stastny
    57 Ted Kennedy
    58 Andy Bathgate
    59 Pierre Pilote
    60 Turk Broda
    61 Frank Boucher
    62 Cy Denneny
    63 Bernie Parent
    64 Brett Hull
    65 Aurel Joliat
    66 Toe Blake
    67 Frank Brimsek
    68 Elmer Lach
    69 Dave Keon
    70 Grant Fuhr
    71 Brian Leetch
    72 Earl Seibert
    73 Doug Bentley
    74 Borje Salming
    75 Georges Vezina
    76 Chuck Gardiner
    77 Clint Benedict
    78 Steve Yzerman
    79 Tony Esposito
    80 Billy Smith
    81 Serge Savard
    82 Alex Delvecchio
    83 Cecil "Babe" Dye
    84 Lorne Chabot
    85 Sid Abel
    86 Bob Gainey
    87 Johnny Bower
    88 Sprague Cleghorn
    89 Mike Gartner
    90 Norm Ullman
    91 Sweeney Schriner
    92 Joe Primeau
    93 Darryl Sittler
    94 Joe Sakic
    95 Dominik Hasek
    96 Babe Pratt
    97 Jack Stewart
    98 Yvan Cournoyer
    99 Bill Gadsby
    100 Frank Nighbor

    It's a pretty solid list despite the fact that they seem to underrate many old-timers.
     

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