keonsbitterness
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You're not saying it was primarily a Greek empire. It was.Well, that's what I'm saying...
You're not saying it was primarily a Greek empire. It was.Well, that's what I'm saying...
Lol, I'm well aware of that, but you clearly said "greek empire" and the Byzantins were never a greek empire. You can talk about influence, but they were never a greek empire...
Not that it matters much anyway. Just found it odd.
Greek was always talked in the roman empire, even during the Republic and nobody would say it was a greek empire....
Yes. Sorry, typing too fast.Latin West and Greek East you mean. But actually Latin remained the language of the Eastern Empire until the 7th century.
You wrote it yourself FFS.You're not saying it was primarily a Greek empire. It was.
Greeks saw it as theirs?The language of state was greek, the people who ran the empire were predominantly greeks, the population of the heartland was predominently greek & it was viewed as greek by outsiders...doesn't get much more greek than that.
Not that our criteria matters, greeks view it is as theirs. And my initial post was about the feelings of greeks.
Again, it's just historic facts.
You can discuss what you THINK, but the facts are that Constantinople's fall was the fall of the ROMAN empire.
Sorry to be an ass on that, but the roman empire is a specialty in my house. Mrs Evilo is ancient greek and latin teacher and I'm also very much into latin history (though more focused on the Republic period).
Factually wrong again.Yes. Sorry, typing too fast.
Official, yes, but that eventually changed because the majority of the common population spoke Greek. Just as Latin (and sometimes French) was the official diplomatic language in England for centuries after William the Conqeuror, but was then replaced by English.
Napolean was Corsican, not French, and he had nothing to do with French history.Greeks saw it as theirs?
That's rich. You weren't there. Nor me.
History says it was the oriental roman empire.
You find it ridiculous to think of the roman republic as greek, right?
Yet they used plenty of greek influence and the upper class people all talked greek when it mattered.
So yeah, factually wrong.
No need. It was part of the eastern roman empire :Then ask her whether the byzantine empire was greek or roman...
You're on a roll.Napolean was Corsican, not French, and he had nothing to do with French history.
Exactly. And Latin remained official for a time after that.Factually wrong again.
It's not sometimes. French was the official diplomatic language for 200 years.
Of course he was.You're on a roll.
Corsica was part of France (still is) and turned french a few years before Napoleon was born.
He is just as french as anyone.
In his youth he was an outspoken Corsican nationalist and supported the state's independence from France.[better source needed][23] Like many Corsicans, Napoleon spoke and read Corsican (as his mother tongue) and Italian (as the official language of Corsica).[26][27][28] He began learning French in school at around age 10.[29] Although he became fluent in French, he spoke with a distinctive Corsican accent and never learned how to spell French correctly.
Greeks saw it as theirs?
That's rich. You weren't there. Nor me.
History says it was the oriental roman empire.
You find it ridiculous to think of the roman republic as greek, right?
Yet they used plenty of greek influence and the upper class people all talked greek when it mattered.
So yeah, factually wrong.
Your point being?Of course he was.
I wasn't. But crusaders were, and they s*** on it for being greek throughout their chronicles & correspondences. We also have letters where the eastern roman empire's "greekness" is used by the HRE and its predessor states to stake their claim to be the true successor to Rome.
That it was viewed as Greek by western europeans of the time is pretty well documented...and supported by the fact that it was run by & predominantly populated by greeks. It was a Greek empire
Plus I said that greeks view it as theirs in the present, not back then...so not only are you wrong, you are arguing the wrong topic...
Isn't Justinian claimed to be the last emperor who was a native Latin speaker?Latin West and Greek East you mean. But actually Latin remained the language of the Eastern Empire until the 7th century.
It was never seen as greek empire. It was the greek area, but nobody called it the greek empire. Nobody. Not a single text that I know of does. It was always the roman empire.
And I don't know a single greek that thinks of greek empire as anything else but the Hellinistic period.
So, once again, the fall of Constantinople was never the fall of the greek empire (no more than the fall of Alexandria), even for greeks. Or maybe some very uneducated ones.
...which spoke greek & was run by greeks...No need. It was part of the eastern roman empire :
Byzantine Empire - Wikipedia
The point is English usurped Latin, French and whatever else as the official language. Not possible unless the majority of the common people spoke English.Factually wrong again.
It's not sometimes. French was the official diplomatic language for 200 years.
He was like Trump -- a lifelong Democrat who used a foreign party to achieve his dictatorial ambitions.Your point being?
He is french.
So yeah, you posted something ONCE AGAIN fatcually wrong. 3rd info in a row.
One major difference: Alexandria was ruled by Greek speakers, but the Ptolemaic Empire was never majority Greek.
It was never seen as greek empire. It was the greek area, but nobody called it the greek empire. Nobody. Not a single text that I know of does. It was always the roman empire.
And I don't know a single greek that thinks of greek empire as anything else but the Hellinistic period.
So, once again, the fall of Constantinople was never the fall of the greek empire (no more than the fall of Alexandria), even for greeks. Or maybe some very uneducated ones.
I believe so.Isn't Justinian claimed to be the last emperor who was a native Latin speaker?
It was never seen as greek empire. It was the greek area, but nobody called it the greek empire. Nobody. Not a single text that I know of does.
No no, they were Napoleanite-Corsican anti-Gallic separatists.Huh? The people of the Eastern Empire were regulary referred to as Greeks by Western authors.