Value of: The cost to get Palat from cap-strapped TB? Same question for Killorn.

[Ratsreign]

TB is currently $2 million over the cap and still needs new deals for Cirelli and Cernak. Assuming they don’t want to throw in top prospects in order to move Johnson’s contract, these two seem the most likely for TB to try to deal away. They can’t take much, if any, cap back in return, what would be realistic offers in a deal involving Palat? For Killorn?

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[canuckking1]

A 3rd

 

[Pavlikovsky]

Seeing as Schmidt went for a 5th I'll go with that and you probably have to pay someone to take Killorn at this point with a couple good FA's still available like Hoffman and Granlund and Soderberg to an extent.

 

[TML1967]

I think IF, and its a big IF the current CBA is kept the same with no changes, it may be less about what teams are willing to pay to peel a guy of Tampa, and more a Q of what ownership group has the cash to actually add the pieces.

Could also be a Q of what happens if players 'opt out' for Covid reasons.
Do they need to opt out for the whole season? Whats the rules on the cap? If they arent opting out for the whole season, is it treated like LTIR?
How does it work if they opt out for a half the season? Is the salary pro-rated like a trade, or is it retroactive?
Can you trade a player who has 'opted out'? If a team is below the cap, and someone opts out, will it be up to the team if it counts or not?
If a player opts out, do they receive any part of their pay?

I think one of the main reasons we havent seen any movement from the teams over the cap, is their seems to be a ton of potential 'shenanigans' to get under the cap that may be more advantages than needing to trade players at a decreased value, or even pay to trade them away.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Killorn probably goes for a late 3rd round pick or possibly a 4th round pick. Ondrej Palat isn't going anywhere.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Palat no trade you can take him off the list.

Everyone has seen the Johnson plus rumors for Zetterburg or Kesler in the last 72 hours right?

 

[Prairie Habs]

Palat no trade you can take him off the list.

Everyone has seen the Johnson plus rumors for Zetterburg or Kesler in the last 72 hours right?

Can't see Johnson waiving for either of those teams. If they tried some shady stuff like TB waives Johnson and Detroit claims him then trades Zetterburg for a pick then the PA would instantly be filing a grievance.

 

[themelkman]

Not much, but Palat rejected to waive.

EDIT:Accroding to Freidmans 31 thoughts podcast where he said they "asked everyone not named Vasilevsky or Hedman."

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

FLA should be interested in Killorn but he does have a 16 team no trade list with the modified NTC.
Although I'd hope Zito could get one of their top 3 D prospects attached if we take full cap hit.

Not worth paying a 3rd/4th for us, there has to be some incentive/leverage as they need to move cap and everyone knows it

FLA will likely lose one of Vatrano or Connolly to expansion draft anyhow.

 

[BCNate]

Seeing as Schmidt went for a 5th I'll go with that and you probably have to pay someone to take Killorn at this point with a couple good FA's still available like Hoffman and Granlund and Soderberg to an extent.

Schmidt was a 3rd, and a little different in the sense that LVK was on a 24 hour clock to get under the cap's 10% upper limit. I do agree with you though...why would a team give up any asset and help TBL when there are still quality UFA's who can be signed on the teams terms?

 

[Ainsy01]

Seeing as Schmidt went for a 5th I'll go with that and you probably have to pay someone to take Killorn at this point with a couple good FA's still available like Hoffman and Granlund and Soderberg to an extent.

its takes literally 2 seconds to google that and be right

 

[Ainsy01]

Not much, but Palat rejected to waive.

really? do you have a source on that, cant find it anywhere.

I believe it though, hes been there forever and they finally win, he wants to ride the high

 

[herzausstein]

Not many teams that can take on Palat's full contract. He has a full NTC for this season. I can't see him waiving to go to a team that can fit him (Devils, Kings, Predators, Senators, Wings). Jackets, Panthers, Hawks won't have room once they sign their RFAs and get to a full roster. There's also several teams that have to purge some cap.

Killorn only has a modified NTC so he has a higher probability of being traded but even then it's a 16 team no trade list.... and i don't think Devils, Kings, Predators, Senators, Wings will be on the list of where he can be traded to.

There's also still good UFAs that can be had for free (Hoffman, Duclair, Soderberg, Granlund, etc). At this point, with how few teams have enough capspace to take on these caphits and with the players having trade protections limiting where they can be sent, i can't see them costing more than future considerations and will likely end up costing Tampa something.

 

[ScaredStreit]

Can't see Johnson waiving for either of those teams. If they tried some shady stuff like TB waives Johnson and Detroit claims him then trades Zetterburg for a pick then the PA would instantly be filing a grievance.

I think Johnson would rather play for the Red Wings than the Crunch.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Tampa would never get a good enough return for Palat to justify trading him. The market is just too hostile.

Killorn is a different story, and I'd expect the cost to be a mid-to-late pick.

 

[BatVader]

Add Cernak to Killorn.
Cernak + Killorn would bring a good return and give cap room to sign Cirelli, plus
As a Jets fan, I’d be interested, though Winnipeg is likely on Killorns 16 team no trade list

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Like post #4 suggest, there are so many unknowns at this point. I suspect that is the reason for the lack of movement on TBL players like Palat, Killorn & TJ.

I doubt that the season will start on Jan. 1. Too much to do in so little time.

So, if you assume a later start (i.e., around Feb. 1), I'd guess the NHL could have a shortened season (i.e., 48 games) with perhaps the first half of the games played in some kind of bubble arrangement (then a week or 10-day break in the schedule), although there doesn't seem to much interest in that. I'd guess that there's lots of support from many owners to cancel the season as well as they know they are going to take a big financial hit. The scenario I described in the beginning of this paragraph is starting to look like the best case scenario for a season to occur.

With this kind of environment, I can see why Lightning ownership and management are waiting to see how things unfold.

If there is a season, and it starts let's say around Feb. 1, then ownership/management are going to have to make some tough decisions. I doubt if many of the other teams are really keen on taking on another large salary in this situation, so I can see TBL needing to try to motivate GMs/owners with some incentives to try to get this done. Kind of sad in a way, but this is the reality of the current situation.

 

[Pavlikovsky]

its takes literally 2 seconds to google that and be right

5th or a 3rd what's it matter when trading a top line Dman for peanuts .

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Not much, but Palat rejected to waive.

This isn't true, there has been zero reports of him being asked to waive.

Palat is a swiss army knife. Plays both wings, can contribute offensively in the top 6, PK's, PP's, has a great defensive game. His contract is extremely reasonable for what he brings to a team.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think they’ll get at least a second for either of the two talked about here. They’re all good players, and I don’t think TB is in the same pinch Vegas was in. Teams need these two players, there will be enough interest raise the price to a second if not more.

 

[barriers]

Not much, but Palat rejected to waive.

Palat has a no-trade clause not a no-movement clause. He can't reject a waive/demotion.

 

[Ratsreign]

Tampa would never get a good enough return for Palat to justify trading him. The market is just too hostile.

Killorn is a different story, and I'd expect the cost to be a mid-to-late pick.

Yes, they would most likely have to sell cheaply on Palat. Palat’s trade protection will likely make it harder to get a decent return. I guess the only justification is getting Cirelli and Cernak re-signed without having to give up a top prospect as they would have to do to move Johnson’s contract. More of an eye to the future type move, as they’re gonna have to something that hurts in one way or another. Will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Palat isn't getting moved. Killorn and Johnson will at some point.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

The cost to move him? Well from the recipient probably a 2nd+, from Tampa they wont be adding.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Not much, but Palat rejected to waive.

This is news to me. Usually you have to be asked to waive before you can say no but I guess you know something the rest of us dont.