The #BarrieWatch Thread [Arb Hearing 7/29]

[StayAtHomeAv]

I believe it's within 48 hours. But that's Sunday so dunno if it really means Monday. But that would be the latest.

Thanks.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Im down with 6x6 but Newport aint. It will come down to Barrie. He can easily say **** it I like Denver 6x6 is fair for both sides. It would totally suck to lose Stastny, ROR and then Barrie in a three year span I must say. Yah I understand its business but it still would suck to lose Barrie on top of losing the other 2.

People say this like we wouldn't get anything for Barrie, or as if we didn't get anything for ROR.

Personally I value what we got in trade way more than ROR on a 7M contract. You're looking at two, possibly three or four NHL players from that deal, and good ones at that.

We'd be up **** creek without that ROR trade IMO. Especially with how expensive young high potential defense has become, even more so now than when that trade was made.

 

[The Kingslayer]

People say this like we wouldn't get anything for Barrie, or as if we didn't get anything for ROR.

Personally I value what we got in trade way more than ROR on a 7M contract. You're looking at two, possibly three or four NHL players from that deal, and good ones at that.

We'd be up **** creek without that ROR trade IMO. Especially with how expensive young high potential defense has become, even more so now than when that trade was made.

Im not saying we wouldnt get anything for Barrie. I think the package we get for Barrie would be even better than ROR's. I just want to keep our home grown. I get attached to the guys that we draft and bring up the pipeline thats all. I even said I understand the business side and that we did have to part with the previous two...still doesnt make it suck.

 

[henchman21]

Still optimistic about that H3 prediction?

I should post the scale:

H1 - Totally a figment of my imagination
H2 - Still a figment of my imagination, but technically possible
H3 - Done Deal In my head
H4 - Ink is drying In my head
H5 - Already faxed to the NHL In my head

So take it to the bank.

 

[Bender]

I should post the scale:

H1 - Totally a figment of my imagination
H2 - Still a figment of my imagination, but technically possible
H3 - Done Deal In my head
H4 - Ink is drying In my head
H5 - Already faxed to the NHL In my head

So take it to the bank.

Have you been posting possible trade destinations for the past month to cover yourself in case it happens? If not you're still got a lot to learn about fake internet rumor mongering.

 

[The Kingslayer]

I should post the scale:

H1 - Totally a figment of my imagination
H2 - Still a figment of my imagination, but technically possible
H3 - Done Deal In my head
H4 - Ink is drying In my head
H5 - Already faxed to the NHL In my head

So take it to the bank.

Haha this needs to be a thing around here.

 

[ASmileyFace]

Praying I take lunch tomorrow and see a long term deal signed before arbitration.

If arbitration happens I don't think Barrie sticks around past RFA. Which would totally suck.

 

[tigervixxxen]

We'll know where we stand in the morning. Fingers crossed. I'll say a little prayer tonight.

 

[NOTENOUGHJTCGOALS]

Barrie at the Avs salaries numbers would have huge value. Hoping for a big win tomorrow. Rip Barrie a new one Sakic!

 

[Iceberg]

Im down with 6x6 but Newport aint. It will come down to Barrie. He can easily say **** it I like Denver 6x6 is fair for both sides. It would totally suck to lose Stastny, ROR and then Barrie in a three year span I must say. Yah I understand its business but it still would suck to lose Barrie on top of losing the other 2.

Newport aint? How do you know that Sakic offered that kind of contract?

I doubt very much he has.

 

[sethro109]

I'm not really familiar with contract and salary cap rules. Could the Avs offer something like 6 years with a 5.75 AAV with the yearly break down being 4 million the first three years and 7.5 the last 3?

 

[quesosauce]

I'm not really familiar with contract and salary cap rules. Could the Avs offer something like 6 years with a 5.75 AAV with the yearly break down being 4 million the first three years and 7.5 the last 3?

no, afaik the value cant change by more than 25% per year, or something like that

its was done to stop the contracts that were like 10 mil 10 mil 10 mil then 3 years of 1 million after that

 

[Tweaky]

no, afaik the value cant change by more than 25% per year, or something like that

its was done to stop the contracts that were like 10 mil 10 mil 10 mil then 3 years of 1 million after that

Cannot change by more than 35%, and no year can be less than 50% of the highest. A staggered deal of $4M, $4M, $5.25M, $7M, $7M, $7.25M would work though.

 

[tucker3434]

Was hoping I'd wake up to an overnight deal. I guess there still time. What time is arb?

 

[Tweaky]

7am MDT IIRC

 

[Bender]

Praying I take lunch tomorrow and see a long term deal signed before arbitration.

If arbitration happens I don't think Barrie sticks around past RFA. Which would totally suck.

I'd wager if arbitration happens, Barrie's not around for training camp. We know they've fielded offers in June...they could have 2-3 solid offers on the table right now.

Would be so funny if:

Barrie's agent "Listen Tyson, I know how they work...we went through this with Ryan. They'll come up with one last offer right before the hearing..."

Sakic "alright gentlemen...ready to go? The hearing is starting in 2 minutes".

 

[tucker3434]

7am MDT IIRC

Wow that's early. Are they actually in Denver or are they in NYC or something?

People say this like we wouldn't get anything for Barrie, or as if we didn't get anything for ROR.

Personally I value what we got in trade way more than ROR on a 7M contract. You're looking at two, possibly three or four NHL players from that deal, and good ones at that.

We'd be up **** creek without that ROR trade IMO. Especially with how expensive young high potential defense has become, even more so now than when that trade was made.

Yeah, I agree on ROR. We needed a guy like Zads more than anything. Without him, our future defense doesn't look so good.

But I think it's kind of the opposite with Barrie. We need Barrie more than he needs us. That wasn't the case with ROR.

 

[Iceberg]

I'd wager if arbitration happens, Barrie's not around for training camp. We know they've fielded offers in June...they could have 2-3 solid offers on the table right now.

Would be so funny if:

Barrie's agent "Listen Tyson, I know how they work...we went through this with Ryan. They'll come up with one last offer right before the hearing..."

Sakic "alright gentlemen...ready to go? The hearing is starting in 2 minutes".

If Sakic had an offer he liked he would have traded Barrie already, i'm not sure how arbitration changes that. Unless Barrie gets 6.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

An hour away. Come on Dregs, tell us he signed.

 

[bohlmeister]

Wow that's early. Are they actually in Denver or are they in NYC or something?



Yeah, I agree on ROR. We needed a guy like Zads more than anything. Without him, our future defense doesn't look so good.

But I think it's kind of the opposite with Barrie. We need Barrie more than he needs us. That wasn't the case with ROR.

Toronto

 

[CobraAcesS]

An hour away. Come on Dregs, tell us he signed.

What exactly is it that is an hour away? Start of the hearing?

 

[Bubba Thudd]

Yes. They're in the hallway now, looking at each other, waiting to see if they can sign a last minute deal and avoid making T-Boobs cry.

 

[Goulet17]

Newport and the Avs settled a few minutes before ROR's scheduled arbitration hearing.

I would have bet money against the hearing actually happening, now I think it might and I think they actually let it go to the arbiter for a decision. It is incredibly rare for the arbitration hearing to occur these days, even rarer for a decision to be made by the arbiter.

By the way, the CBA states 48 hours and does not define in terms of "business days." It reads as if a decision has to be made within 48 whether that falls on a Saturday or Sunday.

 

[AslanRH]

I'm not really familiar with contract and salary cap rules. Could the Avs offer something like 6 years with a 5.75 AAV with the yearly break down being 4 million the first three years and 7.5 the last 3?

Yes, I believe that will work

50.7 Variability Rules for Multi-Year SPCs.

(b) "The 100 Percent Rule" for Multi-Year SPCs. For any SPC that is not a Front-
Loaded SPC, the difference between the stated Player Salary and Bonuses in the first two League
Years of an SPC cannot exceed the amount of the lower of the two League Years.

The 35% rule applies to front loaded contracts

 

[sethro109]

no, afaik the value cant change by more than 25% per year, or something like that

its was done to stop the contracts that were like 10 mil 10 mil 10 mil then 3 years of 1 million after that

I see. Thank you for the information.

Cannot change by more than 35%, and no year can be less than 50% of the highest. A staggered deal of $4M, $4M, $5.25M, $7M, $7M, $7.25M would work though.

This would be ideal then. Making 7 in UFA years I think is more than fair, but I'm guessing his agency would want more in the first 2 RFA years after reading through this thread. Didn't realize it was Newport hockey.