Prospect Info: The 2015 NHL Draft Thread V

[glenwo2]

uh we've missed 4 of the last 5

You missed the point of what I was trying to make.


He said we won't EVER see the playoffs if we bust on this draft which is being overly-dramatic to the EXTREME, D90.

This team will find its way back to the postseason sooner rather than later. All it needs is a bit more offense. We're not that far off.

that said, however, we have next-to-nothing as far as High-end Forward talent coming down the pipe so keeping the pick and drafting the best possible forward seems to be the best option(unless Lou gets an offer that would knock his socks off).

 

[JimEIV]

Not OUR guys...the top defensemen in the draft who project as #1D. Are you just reading half of the posts?

And I didn't say 'too many' I said over abundance, as in they'd deal from a position of strength.

Again, what you are saying makes little sense...You are asking a team to give up proven, young and cost controlled talent for a chance at a prospect...What team does this?

Teams don't just get rid of young talent and teams hardly ever give up young forward talent to address defense. A good young forward is much more valuable, especially when you someone like Oduya can fill a hole without giving up anything.

If you get a forward he is going to be a problem child or a contract that will be expiring in a short time...If you're San Jose do you really give up a fantastic forward for a shot a good dman when you can easily find a very good one with your own pick?

Sorry dude this sounds like fantasy talk

 

[NHL Fanatik*]

Just like we've busted on past drafts and we never saw playoffs....not once....OH WAIT!

Confused as to what 3-5 years ago has to do with the teams outlook now?

We had Parise and Kovalchuk - enough said

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Confused as to what 3-5 years ago has to do with the teams outlook now?

We had Parise and Kovalchuk - enough said

having those players on the team doesn't excuse the poor drafting.

 

[glenwo2]

Confused as to what 3-5 years ago has to do with the teams outlook now?

We had Parise and Kovalchuk - enough said

Are you friggin' serious???

You just said that if we bust on THIS draft, we will not make the playoffs FOREVER. Your words.

and that's not true either.

 

[Unknown Caller]

Just from the eye test, I would pick Zacha over all of Crouse, Barzal, Rantanen, and probably even Strome. His lack of production is shocking and would likely scare a ton of teams off.

 

[MichaelJ]

Again, what you are saying makes little sense...You are asking a team to give up proven, young and cost controlled talent for a chance at a prospect...What team does this?

Teams don't just get rid of young talent and teams hardly ever give up young forward talent to address defense. A good young forward is much more valuable, especially when you someone like Oduya can fill a hole without giving up anything.

If you get a forward he is going to be a problem child or a contract that will be expiring in a short time...If you're San Jose do you really give up a fantastic forward for a shot a good dman when you can easily find a very good one with your own pick?

Sorry dude this sounds like fantasy talk

What?! The foundation of MOST trades in MOST professional sports are young and unproven high end talent for established players. There's nothing fantasy about it.

If I'm San Jose and the drop off from Hanifin/Prov is severe enough and I can draft another young C with MY pick while I'm going through a rebuild, yes I do.

In fact, here - http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1880533&page=2

Sure, it's just fans talking but that's the fan of the other team agreeing with it.

The best I can figure is that you're either one of these fans who love drafting talent until the shine is off and then you look to the next shiny draftee....OR you've already got your favorite already picked out for this draft and can't let go. You're out to lunch on this one. I actually agree with ZBC on this for crying outloud.

 

[thethinglonger]

Just from the eye test, I would pick Zacha over all of Crouse, Barzal, Rantanen, and probably even Strome. His lack of production is shocking and would likely scare a ton of teams off.

Zacha is such a good-looking prospect. His first season of the OHL (and in North America) he almost had a PPG. He's got all the right tools, but needs to work on his consistency. He's an extremely complete player and I wouldn't mind taking a risk drafting him at 6.

Not to mention he went into an absolute beast mode in the OHL playoffs. He was flying all over the ice out there. At the U-18s he's also performing really well.

 

[TheDarkSideOfThePuck]

I wouldn't say our drafting was poor. Let's look from the 2009-2013 (2014 is still too early to tell) 5 years span.

2009 we got Josefson and Gelinas with Helgeson and Urbom from late rounds
2010 we got Merrill
2011 we got Larsson with Boucher and Scarlett from late rounds
2012 we got Severson, Matteau
2013 we got Santini with Kujawinski and Woods from late round

9 of those played games in the NHL (8 if you remove Urbom) with Santini, Scarlett, Wood and Kujawinski showing good signs and even Pietila and Coleman playing good hockey in the NCAA

Thats with only 2 pick in the top 20 (Josefson was 20 overall)

 

[Unknown Caller]

Zacha is such a good-looking prospect. His first season of the OHL (and in North America) he almost had a PPG. He's got all the right tools, but needs to work on his consistency. He's an extremely complete player and I wouldn't mind taking a risk drafting him at 6.

Not to mention he went into an absolute beast mode in the OHL playoffs. He was flying all over the ice out there. At the U-18s he's also performing really well.

His frame and skill set remind me of Kovlachuk. If he had put together a good season in juniors this year, I could easily have seen him above Strome and Marner. The question is whether you think the lack of production was just a cold-streak/issue adapting to North America. From a pure risk/ceiling perspective, Zacha is the guy I would pick. If he hits his potential, he could be at least the third best player in this draft.

 

[JimEIV]

What?! The foundation of MOST trades in MOST professional sports are young and unproven high end talent for established players. There's nothing fantasy about it.

Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense...Young and unproven gets traded for older and expiring or over priced contracts to contenders trying to make a splash...You are asking for young, proven and in the best part of a players career for futures from a team that is in transition and probably getting rid of Thornton the first opportunity they can get....That simply doesn't happen. It is fantasty nonsense. On top of that San Jose is picking 9th for christ sake....what value does our 6th have to them?

Why would any team trade a top 20 scoring, 26 year old forward for a 6th overall when they have the 9th overall?

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

our drafting of forwards was poor. no one can say otherwise.

 

[Unknown Caller]

our drafting of forwards was poor. no one can say otherwise.

I didn't hate the Matteau pick, but Quenneville last year was a huge mistake. I wasn't a proponent of Lemieux, but I was excited that Barbashev fell into our laps. Seemed like the obvious pick, and then Conte takes Quenneville. Fast forward to the end of the season, Barbashev puts up 95 points in 57 games and Quenneville puts up 47 points in 57 games. I don't know what our scouting staff looks at, but it's like they're trying to draft the same exact player over and over again (Tedenby being the exception).

 

[MichaelJ]

Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense...Young and unproven gets traded for older and expiring or over priced contracts to contenders trying to make a splash...You are asking for young, proven and in the best part of a players career for futures from a team that is in transition and probably getting rid of Thornton the first opportunity they can get....That simply doesn't happen. It is fantasty nonsense. On top of that San Jose is picking 9th for christ sake....what value does our 6th have to them?

Why would any team trade a top 20 scoring, 26 year old forward for a 6th overall when they have the 9th overall?

Did you follow the link I sent you? Ask the San Jose fans in that thread, I'm tired of trying to get through to you. You're like a dog that just won't let go. I'm sorry that you can't make sense of it.

Oh, and as one SJS poster put it, the team still has Pavelski, Hertl can step into the 2C role, and they can stock up on young talent at the same time.

 

[Devils090]

I didn't hate the Matteau pick, but Quenneville last year was a huge mistake. I wasn't a proponent of Lemieux, but I was excited that Barbashev fell into our laps. Seemed like the obvious pick, and then Conte takes Quenneville. Fast forward to the end of the season, Barbashev puts up 95 points in 57 games and Quenneville puts up 47 points in 57 games. I don't know what our scouting staff looks at, but it's like they're trying to draft the same exact player over and over again (Tedenby being the exception).

it was a safe, conservative, typically bland pick. Conte and Lou are clueless when it comes to forwards these days

 

[Zippy316]

I wouldn't say our drafting was poor. Let's look from the 2009-2013 (2014 is still too early to tell) 5 years span.

2009 we got Josefson and Gelinas with Helgeson and Urbom from late rounds
2010 we got Merrill
2011 we got Larsson with Boucher and Scarlett from late rounds
2012 we got Severson, Matteau
2013 we got Santini with Kujawinski and Woods from late round

9 of those played games in the NHL (8 if you remove Urbom) with Santini, Scarlett, Wood and Kujawinski showing good signs and even Pietila and Coleman playing good hockey in the NCAA

Thats with only 2 pick in the top 20 (Josefson was 20 overall)

Recent drafting looks good, but the impact from the forwards won't happen for another year or two, for some even more.

The void we are in is a direct result of the poor drafting from 2005-2008. You can't deny that. Also, 2004 we had only our first round pick and then not another pick until the 5th round. That also hurts.

 

[Zippy316]

I didn't hate the Matteau pick, but Quenneville last year was a huge mistake. I wasn't a proponent of Lemieux, but I was excited that Barbashev fell into our laps. Seemed like the obvious pick, and then Conte takes Quenneville. Fast forward to the end of the season, Barbashev puts up 95 points in 57 games and Quenneville puts up 47 points in 57 games. I don't know what our scouting staff looks at, but it's like they're trying to draft the same exact player over and over again (Tedenby being the exception).

Context.....

Quenneville is playing a lesser role on a deeper team, which means fewer points. Doesn't mean he's any less of a player than Barbashev is.

 

[JimEIV]

I didn't hate the Matteau pick, but Quenneville last year was a huge mistake. I wasn't a proponent of Lemieux, but I was excited that Barbashev fell into our laps. Seemed like the obvious pick, and then Conte takes Quenneville. Fast forward to the end of the season, Barbashev puts up 95 points in 57 games and Quenneville puts up 47 points in 57 games. I don't know what our scouting staff looks at, but it's like they're trying to draft the same exact player over and over again (Tedenby being the exception).

I wanted Lemieux...very happy they didn't take Barbashev. His effort is often questioned and that is something not worth seeing if he grows out of in my opinion.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Quenneville was the safe pick, as per Conte recently regarding forwards.

hopefully that trend doesn't continue.

 

[JimEIV]

Context.....

Quenneville is playing a lesser role on a deeper team, which means fewer points. Doesn't mean he's any less of a player than Barbashev is.

And he was injured a couple times this year.

 

[SeidoN]

Barzal with 8pt in 3 games now in U18s

 

[Zippy316]

Quenneville was the safe pick, as per Conte recently regarding forwards.

hopefully that trend doesn't continue.

Safer pick doesn't always mean it's the wrong pick.

He's a safe bet for an NHL player but he's got potential to become a good one. Honestly, for a team completely void of forward prospects, we need a few of these safe guys to fall back on.

You don't just go for the risk when your prospect pool is awful just like you don't go out and acquire an all-star forward when your team has nothing to support them.

We're pretty much loaded with safe middle-six guys in Blandisi, Matteau, Kujawinski, Quenneville, Coleman, etc. Should be interesting how the Devils draft in the second round this year, they finally have a bit of room to take some risk.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Safer pick doesn't always mean it's the wrong pick.

He's a safe bet for an NHL player but he's got potential to become a good one. Honestly, for a team completely void of forward prospects, we need a few of these safe guys to fall back on.

You don't just go for the risk when your prospect pool is awful just like you don't go out and acquire an all-star forward when your team has nothing to support them.

We're pretty much loaded with safe middle-six guys in Blandisi, Matteau, Kujawinski, Quenneville, Coleman, etc. Should be interesting how the Devils draft in the second round this year, they finally have a bit of room to take some risk.

in regards to our recent drafting of forwards, it seems like that is in fact false.

 

[Devils090]

eventually we're going to have to take some chances in drafting forwards, cant just have 4 lines of middling players

oh wait, we already do

 

[JimEIV]

Can someone explain to me what taking chances on picks mean? Does that mean taking one dimensional offensive players? Small players? What the heck does this even mean?

What was Dudek, Boucher, Kerfoot, Kujawinski, Bergfors, Tedenby, Vasyunov....?