Confirmed Trade: [TBL/LAK] Ben Bishop (20% retained), 5th for Erik Cernak, Peter Budaj, 7th, conditional

[SFKingshomer]

Neuvirth + Weal?

Rather have a draft pick or prospect than a guy who couldn't cut it in the Kings system. Bishop was brought in to play anyway....

 

[SpezDispenser]

Hey Budaj, thanks for saving our season! GTFO you bum!

Now...let's bring in someone with worse numbers! Huzzah

 

[Curufinwe]

Rather have a draft pick or prospect than a guy who couldn't cut it in the Kings system. Bishop was brought in to play anyway....

Well, we have an extra 3rd and 4th but I don't know if Hextall is really interested in trading for Bishop. We'll know for sure within 48 hours.

If the Flyers move a dman like Streit for a pick, we could theoretically trade Mason + pick for Bishop.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Well, we have an extra 3rd and 4th but I don't know if Hextall is really interested in trading for Bishop. We'll know for sure within 48 hours.

If the Flyers move a dman for a pick, we could theoretically trade Mason + pick for Bishop.

Is this being talked about?

 

[Curufinwe]

A guy on our forum who has broken stuff before thinks we will be moving a goalie.

Mason + pick for Bishop is my speculation based on team needs, resources and their fairly similar cap hits.

 

[Reaper45]

A guy on our forum who has broken stuff before thinks we will be moving a goalie.

Mason + pick for Bishop is my speculation based on team needs, resources and their fairly similar cap hits.

I'd be shocked at this point. Philly would have to blow the Kings away.

 

[LAKings88]

The only way LA trades Bishop now is if they lose the next two games. Even that is a stretch.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Hey Budaj, thanks for saving our season! GTFO you bum!

Now...let's bring in someone with worse numbers! Huzzah

Maybe some context is required about those better numbers? Budaj was playing this season in the Kings' stellar defensive system, which gives up very few chances. Compare the shot location charts for Budaj and Bishop this season and tell me if you notice a difference:

 

[Hunter368]

TB received only a single offer on Bishop from around the nhl and it was a low ball from Kings and TB accepted it. Not surprised

 

[Yog S'loth]

Compare the shot location charts for Budaj and Bishop this season and tell me if you notice a difference:

I have no idea what I'm looking at here, but it looks suspiciously like nonsense.

 

[Butch 19]

I have no idea what I'm looking at here, but it looks suspiciously like nonsense.

if you squint, they look like x-rays. - or steaks

 

[Butch 19]

Bishop to DAL for Sharp

would do this in a heartbeat.

 

[Curufinwe]

Dallas can't have three $4m+ goalies.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I have no idea what I'm looking at here, but it looks suspiciously like nonsense.

How is it nonsense? It's hard data turned visual.

The charts depict how often a goalie faces shots from different locations on the ice relative to the league average of facing shots from those locations. The darker the shade of blue, the less the goalie faces shots from that location. The darker the shade of red, the more the goalie faces a shot from that location.

It is pretty straightforward and not nonsense. And it shows how well the Kings have done at preventing teams from getting quality shots on Budaj, whereas the Lightning allow an incredible amount of shots right in prime scoring area in the middle slot. It's pretty easy to see that the Kings' system has greatly benefitted Budaj, and that to compare Budaj's numbers with the Kings this year to Bishop's with the Lightning is a bit disingenuous. Context can help show why directly comparing is not the best way analyze the trade.

I'm sorry to see that your first response is to be snarky and declare something nonsense instead of considering the actual information conveyed by the evidence. I guess I shouldn't have expected any more from the inherently Luddite nature of HF.

 

[degustator]

For those wondering why the deal was made and questioning if it is even an upgrade, it's pretty simple.

Budaj in February: 2-6-0, 2.02 GAA, .884 save percentage

Bishop in February: 5-0-0, 1.17 GAA, .953 save percentage

As solid as Budaj was earlier in the year, he has been a mess the last few weeks. That's even with the Kings playing an ultra-conservative style to protect him. If we had Bishop two weeks ago, we would already be in playoff position, maybe even with a little cushion. For the price, it was an incredible deal.

Actually Budaj in Feb: 4-6-0, .915 save percentage

 

[Yog S'loth]

I guess I shouldn't have expected any more from the inherently Luddite nature of HF.

Dude I LOVE luddites! I always get those at the movies, even though it's a ripoff for like, eight bucks for the box. Such delicious chewy fruity flavors, though.

 

[Sydney Cosby]

Dude I LOVE luddites! I always get those at the movies, even though it's a ripoff for like, eight bucks for the box. Such delicious chewy fruity flavors, though.

You eat people who destroy industrial machines that they believe are stealing their jobs?
You should be ashamed of yourself

 

[kovalev47]

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Bishop has missed significant games in the playoffs the last two seasons due to injury.

2014-2015 TBL 25 25 13 11 0 0 669 53 2.18 616 .921 3 1,459

2015-2016 TBL 11 11 8 2 0 0 297 18 1.86 279 .939 2 583

He's missed some games. More last season than the previous playoffs.

The Kings aren't in a playoff position at the moment.

Kings will make it. There are only 3 points out. They are saving their energy for the playoffs.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Dude I LOVE luddites! I always get those at the movies, even though it's a ripoff for like, eight bucks for the box. Such delicious chewy fruity flavors, though.

 

[pucky]

Quick was out for most of the year so, imo, it was a smart move to get another #1/1A/1B (whatever you want to call it) goaltender.

Groin injuries on goalies are well known for reoccurring. On the top of my head, guys like Hasek and Halak have had multiple groin injuries that have kept them out for considerable time. Or maybe it just happens to goalies whose last names end in 'k?'

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

They got more for Boyle than Bishop WOW

 

[DFC]

They got more for Boyle than Bishop WOW

Only had one trade partner for Bishop. Amazing they got anything at all, under these circumstances.

 

[paragon]

Maybe some context is required about those better numbers? Budaj was playing this season in the Kings' stellar defensive system, which gives up very few chances. Compare the shot location charts for Budaj and Bishop this season and tell me if you notice a difference

That makes Budaj look even better. The less shots you face the lower your save%. Compare his stats to Quick from previous years and they are pretty identical.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

That makes Budaj look even better. The less shots you face the lower your save%. Compare his stats to Quick from previous years and they are pretty identical.

No it doesn't. He faces far fewer shots from dangerous areas on the Kings than Bishop does on the Lightning. The quality of shots Budaj have faced all year has been incredibly easy. Facing easier shots makes it easier to have inflated numbers.

 

[kooner91]

Maybe some context is required about those better numbers? Budaj was playing this season in the Kings' stellar defensive system, which gives up very few chances. Compare the shot location charts for Budaj and Bishop this season and tell me if you notice a difference:

those graphs tell you a ton about team defense and structure. Could somebody link me to all those charts for various teams?

Thanks in advance.