Value of: Tatar to LA Kings

[Wingsfan 4 life]

Nothing mentioned here really makes me want to pull the trigger. Rather wait and see if something better can be shaken loose from another team before Tatar's contract is up.

 

[72hockey guy]

Tatar is a high end complementary player. His current stats are more related to the guy driving his line than him. Stick him with Kopitar and a competent D hes easily a 30 goal scorer. If you look at how he is being deployed internationally it is pretty clear GMs think the same. It would not be unreasonable to see him put up 40 goals with the right setup man or men. For whatever reason he is just one of those guys that gets chemistry with very specific people. On Detroit we simply do not have the passing or puck carriers from the D to utilize Tatar fully. Tatar is not a particularly skilled puck carrier.

I am not sure what he is worth but probably gets a 1st. Probably not Vilardi. Range is probably Mid Second and Upper Mid Prospect up to Vilardi (but not necessarily including).

what are you high on? you could put Tatar with Gretzky in his prime and he wouldnt score 40 or anywhere near that. this is a guy with 7 even strength goals in 55 games. thats a pace of 10 a season

step back into reality

 

[Redder Winger]

Tatar is a high end complementary player. His current stats are more related to the guy driving his line than him. Stick him with Kopitar and a competent D hes easily a 30 goal scorer. If you look at how he is being deployed internationally it is pretty clear GMs think the same. It would not be unreasonable to see him put up 40 goals with the right setup man or men. For whatever reason he is just one of those guys that gets chemistry with very specific people. On Detroit we simply do not have the passing or puck carriers from the D to utilize Tatar fully. Tatar is not a particularly skilled puck carrier.

I am not sure what he is worth but probably gets a 1st. Probably not Vilardi. Range is probably Mid Second and Upper Mid Prospect up to Vilardi (but not necessarily including).

The difference is huge between Vilardi - who went 12th and probably should have went top 5 - and a mid-second rounder with a upper-mid prospect.

 

[Redder Winger]

what are you high on? you could put Tatar with Gretzky in his prime and he wouldnt score 40 or anywhere near that. this is a guy with 7 even strength goals in 55 games. thats a pace of 10 a season

step back into reality

Sorry, buddy, but Tatar has already scored 29 goals in a year where he spent half the year with Datsyuk and half the year with Sheahan.
He would easily score 40 with a Gretzky in his prime.

 

[Seventyx7]

Sorry, buddy, but Tatar has already scored 29 goals in a year where he spent half the year with Datsyuk and half the year with Sheahan.
He would easily score 40 with a Gretzky in his prime.

So what's his deal this year?

 

[72hockey guy]

Sorry, buddy, but Tatar has already scored 29 goals in a year where he spent half the year with Datsyuk and half the year with Sheahan.
He would easily score 40 with a Gretzky in his prime.

one year in a 7 year career, he scored 29 thats called a fluke and thats still nowhere near 40

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Would love to see him with Kopitar, just can't see us throwing more than a 3rd and a mediocre prospect out for anyone. No offense to Tatar/Wings, I think he's worth more than we can give.

 

[Tatar Shots]

what are you high on? you could put Tatar with Gretzky in his prime and he wouldnt score 40 or anywhere near that. this is a guy with 7 even strength goals in 55 games. thats a pace of 10 a season

step back into reality

Tatar scored 29 goals with Sheahan as his center. I'm pretty sure he could do better with 'prime Gretzky' than he did with Riley Sheahan.

 

[jkutswings]

i'd be willing to trade for Tatar even if it costs us either JAD or Amadio

the $$$ on Tatar's contract is the issue since we currently have roughly $3m in capspace

If that's the only hangup, Detroit would do some retention if they liked the return enough.

 

[Redder Winger]

one year in a 7 year career, he scored 29 thats called a fluke and thats still nowhere near 40

You said Gretzky in his prime. Not me.

 

[Redder Winger]

If that's the only hangup, Detroit would do some retention if they liked the return enough.

They'd have to like it a f***ing lot.

 

[newfy]

I'd probably make the deal JAD + 2nd for Tatar. But I'd wait to see where LA is at the TDL. Its a tough ask. LA is low on good prospects, so I wouldn't make that move if the Kings don't have a chance.

Yeah seems like this is a pretty fair deal and a lot of fans on both sides think roughly the same. If Tatar was a rental I think a prospect like JAD would be pretty fair but Tatar has term left so you add a second round pick. If Detroit takes on a contract or retains salary you might see the price go up a bit.

But overall thats a pretty good start I think. Someone above mentioned how Tatar is a really good complimentary player and its true. You stick him with a good center he can really finish. I would expect 30 goals playing Kopitar.

Would a 2019 first rounder be available or whats LA's take on moving first rounders?

 

[Ollie Weeks]

To trade that first, on top of the already proposed pieces, I’d reckon that half of Tatar’s contract needs to be eaten.

Not advocating it as LA needs their draft picks, but there it is.

 

[kilowatt]

OK, here's the deal. We want your goal scoring winger. Tatar
Great! Let's negotiate.

But, you can't have a first. Oh. And you can't have Vilardi. Or Clague.
Oh, OK.

How about Dolan?
Oh, not him either.

OK, Amadio could work.
Sorry, he's already penciled in on our team.

Realistically, the Kings aren’t looking to trade their first, Clague, or Vilardi. Dolan and Amadio are definitely fair game, as are a few of the defensive players the Kings have (LaDue, Forbort, Gravel, Folin, Fantanberg).

Clague and Vilardi are the only blue chip prospects the Kings have, but Tatar won’t likely command a blue chip prospect in return.

Some Kings just ask for too much

For what it’s worth, JAD looks like a stud in the making.

 

[deaderhead28]

JAD and a 2nd is ideal. Problem is the Kings would have to send salary back so either Thompson, Mitchell or Clifford.

Just can't see Kings giving up Thompson.Good PK guy and has grit this team has been missing.Clifford would be the player I would guess would go.Center depth is a must.

 

[deaderhead28]

So what's his deal this year?

I guess the deal is Gretzky is retired.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Tatar for Pearson+

 

[deaderhead28]

Tatar for Pearson+

way to much.Tatar isn't worth Pearson alone then you added the plus?Tatar is not worth all that no matter how many shots of everclear people have.If that's the price then pass and move on to another winger.Not worth over paying at the deadline and just wait for FA and draft.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I like JAD + 2nd round pick. Tatar provides goal scoring and will likely score anywhere from 20-30 goals each year he's under contract. This Wings team has little in the way of play making forwards or d-men and that's probably why his stats are so mediocre this year.

Detroit could probably eat salary to make the deal work.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Tatar would play well with Kopitar

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

I would eat salary for a 1st round pick

 

[Dead Thing Fan]

How about Tatar for K. Clifford + 2018 2nd.

 

[Reaper45]

How about Tatar for K. Clifford + 2018 2nd.

That's even better for the Kings. Why would Detroit want so little?

 

[KingCanadain1976]

How about Tatar for K. Clifford + 2018 2nd.

I am Cliffords biggest fans and i would accept it Are u a red wing fan?

 

[72hockey guy]

You said Gretzky in his prime. Not me.

yes i did , dave semenko never scored 40 with Gretzky did he?

You cant take dog meat and turn it into filet mignon no matter how fancy you package it. Tatar on a pace for 10 even strength goals this year qualifies as dog meat