Seravalli: Tampa interested in Klingberg

[gn2007]

Kucherov from TB for 2 years was on the LTIR. TB gets more players goes over the cap, he comes back for the playoffs and now they are fielding a team with a salary cap of over 90M. How is that right? Some of these players shouldn't be allowed to play. All teams at the start of the playoffs should all be fielding a roster within the current salary cap of 82.5M it's simple


Sorry I stand corrected on the 1st. Regardless, it's BS

See below from Capfriendly regarding your TB team. The salary cap

Kucherov from TB for 2 years was on the LTIR. TB gets more players goes over the cap, he comes back for the playoffs and now they are fielding a team with a salary cap of over 90M. How is that right? Some of these players shouldn't be allowed to play. All teams at the start of the playoffs should all be fielding a roster within the current salary cap of 82.5M it's simple


Sorry I stand corrected on the 1st. Regardless, it's BS

See below from Capfriendly regarding your TB team. The salary cap is 82.5M not 88M

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $0​

CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $1,269,967
TODAY'S CAP HIT

: $88,105,000

The other thing is nhl shouldn't allow teams trade dead contracts on players that retired amd send it to a team to reach the ceiling all these loopholes be avoided. Like Datsyuk going to Arizona same with pronged just that made it anyone can use a dead contract before season begins.

 

[JoeSakic13]

I dunno. I mean sure he’s been on a bottom-feeder of a team, but he’s looked abysmal at times this season.

Very possible he’d turn it around on a solid team, but I’d steer clear.

 

[VinikToWinIt]

Sorry I stand corrected on the 1st. Regardless, it's BS

See below from Capfriendly regarding your TB team. The salary cap is 82.5M not 88M

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $0​

CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $1,269,967
TODAY'S CAP HIT

: $88,105,000

The Lightning are responsible for Brent Seabrook's contract, which is $6.785M. Brent Seabrook is on LTIR, which allows the Lightning to spend the amount of his contract over the cap. His contract does not come out of the cap hit.

Without Brent Seabrook, the Lightning are icing.... The exact same team. He provides no benefit whatsoever, since his contract is included in the cap hit and allows the Lightning to spend that amount over the cap. Unless Brent Seabrook returns in the playoffs from whatever beach he is sipping a pina colada on, the Lightning are not benefiting from LTIR, they're just paying more salary than other teams.

Other teams are certainly using LTIR to roster build. The Lightning, currently, are not.

Kucherov from TB for 2 years was on the LTIR. TB gets more players goes over the cap, he comes back for the playoffs and now they are fielding a team with a salary cap of over 90M. How is that right? Some of these players shouldn't be allowed to play. All teams at the start of the playoffs should all be fielding a roster within the current salary cap of 82.5M it's simple

2 years? I think you are misremembering things.

 

[wintersej]

The solution is, if come playoff time, all teams fielding a roster must be within the salary cap of 82M. Not that the cap means shit during the playoffs and your roster is at 90-95M. That means certain players would not be eligible

That seems overly simplistic and I don't think you have totally thought it through. How do you deal with teams banking space and the trade deadline? Cap hits are calculated daily, not annually. You solution seems to state that teams acquiring people at the trade deadline without even making use of LTIR would not be compliant come the playoffs.

 

[Dr Pepper]

The other thing is nhl shouldn't allow teams trade dead contracts on players that retired amd send it to a team to reach the ceiling all these loopholes be avoided. Like Datsyuk going to Arizona same with pronged just that made it anyone can use a dead contract before season begins.

Arizona Coyotes Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

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Coyotes "players" on LTIR:

Voracek, Weber, Ladd, Little, Brown

Coyotes "players" salaries being retained

Kane, Bjugstad, OEL

That's over $30 mil on players who aren't expected to suit up for Arizona any time soon.

Talk about putting together a competitive team, eh?

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Kucherov from TB for 2 years was on the LTIR. TB gets more players goes over the cap, he comes back for the playoffs and now they are fielding a team with a salary cap of over 90M. How is that right? Some of these players shouldn't be allowed to play. All teams at the start of the playoffs should all be fielding a roster within the current salary cap of 82.5M it's simple


Sorry I stand corrected on the 1st. Regardless, it's BS

See below from Capfriendly regarding your TB team. The salary cap is 82.5M not 88M

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $0​

CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $1,269,967
TODAY'S CAP HIT

: $88,105,000

This is one the problems.

Do you want to penalize teams where a player is hurt long-term by not allowing them an even playing field against other teams to replace said hurt player?

This is why almost all the teams voted against LTIR benefits. In the long run, it hurts the team more than it hurts the league. Teams will look at what benefits them first over the league primarily. I understand that it being fair for one now makes it unfair for others. Complete catch-22, so you pick the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two evils becomes, teams who are lower on the rankings that aren't trying to make the playoffs can accumulate assets to improve further down the line from a team who has LTIR space trying to make the playoffs.

LTIR Doesn't Magically create more cap space

This is the huge misunderstood factor amongst fans. LTIR doesn't create cap space. The issue becomes playoffs where there is no cap. Teams gamble players coming back from LTIR will be just as good or game ready for the playoffs. Obviously some players are superstars and are fine coming back right away. Some not so much.

Solutions?

I have thought of one over the years.

Limit the amount of LTIR allotted to every team in the league. For example, a team can only use 10% of the cap for LTIR in any given year. Anything over 10% doesn't give any in season relief. You can still move a player to LTIR for insurance purposes, but will receive no relief.

 

[Breakers]

Such a terrible gamble that was.

turned down $60 million in a no income tax state

easily one of the most costly decisions i've seen from an NHL player.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Hasn't Klingerberg been incredibly brutal for the Ducks this season?

He's always been bad defensively, but the Ducks were the worst place he could have went. His strengths are minimized on a team that has so little possession time, and there's next to zero defensive insulation to help mask his weaknesses.

Lately he's been better, 9 points in his last 9 games and managing to be an even player on this trainwreck of a team. If you put him on a second or third pairing with a steady "defense first" partner, he can still be a very useful player.

Assuming he doesn't suit up for the Ducks again, this will be his last point in their uniform. Still very capable in certain areas, as you can see.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

This LTIR is total Bullshit. At the end of this deadline you are going to have teams such as Boston, TB, Rangers and others like 10M over the cap if not more.

Except the Rangers dont even have a single player on the IR? Let alone the LTIR? Lets do a little research before posting.

 

[Sky04]

I agree, it's not just TB.....But I will say TB was the first to figure out how to use this bullshit LTIR to their advantage. Now teams are all doin it. It's just not fair to be honest. I don't think the league put this in play for teams to "cheat" the salary cap this way.

Actually it was Chicago but good to know you've only been paying attention the last 2 years.

Kucherov from TB for 2 years was on the LTIR. TB gets more players goes over the cap, he comes back for the playoffs and now they are fielding a team with a salary cap of over 90M. How is that right? Some of these players shouldn't be allowed to play. All teams at the start of the playoffs should all be fielding a roster within the current salary cap of 82.5M it's simple


Sorry I stand corrected on the 1st. Regardless, it's BS

See below from Capfriendly regarding your TB team. The salary cap is 82.5M not 88M

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $0​

CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $1,269,967
TODAY'S CAP HIT

: $88,105,000

Damn 2 years? I lied you can't even pay attention, show me where Kucherov missed 2 seasons

 

[5cotland]

This LTIR is total Bullshit. At the end of this deadline you are going to have teams such as Boston, TB, Rangers and others like 10M over the cap if not more.

Hey, speak for yourself. Don't tarnish our adequate name amongst those LTIR cheats

 

[JoeGarelli]

everyone else is saying it.. chicago

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Arizona Coyotes Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Arizona Coyotes salary cap, contracts, roster, draft picks, salary, cap space, stats, salary cap projections, and daily cap tracking

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Coyotes "players" on LTIR:

Voracek, Weber, Ladd, Little, Brown

Coyotes "players" salaries being retained

Kane, Bjugstad, OEL

That's over $30 mil on players who aren't expected to suit up for Arizona any time soon.

Talk about putting together a competitive team, eh?

Of the $67.2M cap hit the Arizona Coyotes now have on the roster, 57.6% of that is allocated to pseudo-retirements, cap retention via trade, and contract dumps. To repeat, that is 57.6%.

 

[Aoko]

I agree, it's not just TB.....But I will say TB was the first to figure out how to use this bullshit LTIR to their advantage. Now teams are all doin it. It's just not fair to be honest. I don't think the league put this in play for teams to "cheat" the salary cap this way.

If all teams are doing it... how is it not fair? :/

 

[ManofSteel55]

Kucherov from TB for 2 years was on the LTIR. TB gets more players goes over the cap, he comes back for the playoffs and now they are fielding a team with a salary cap of over 90M. How is that right? Some of these players shouldn't be allowed to play. All teams at the start of the playoffs should all be fielding a roster within the current salary cap of 82.5M it's simple


Sorry I stand corrected on the 1st. Regardless, it's BS

See below from Capfriendly regarding your TB team. The salary cap is 82.5M not 88M

PROJECTED CAP SPACE

: $0​

CURRENT CAP SPACE

: $1,269,967
TODAY'S CAP HIT

: $88,105,000

So teams with long term injuries to key players should just be screwed?

 

[bsu]

He's absolutely horrible.

 

[SEALBound]

No! No team in the east can load up any more unless the Penguins make a big splash.

 

[Drumman44]

If he goes to Chicago it better not be because our new GM wanted him instead of Dach and he's trying to correct a past mistake.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

No! No team in the east can load up any more unless the Penguins make a big splash.

Kulikov incoming

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

This LTIR is total Bullshit. At the end of this deadline you are going to have teams such as Boston, TB, Rangers and others like 10M over the cap if not more.

Name me the LTIR player from the rangers. Oh yeah..
Check the facts first boy.

 

[Alex1234]

Classic Tampa lol

 

[Alex1234]

Using the tools to their advantage.

Imagine all the teams doing that to full extend and the ratings plummeting
Uncle Gary needs to do something

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Classic Tampa lol

Explain

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Imagine all the teams doing that to full extend and the ratings plummeting
Uncle Gary needs to do something

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[RJMA]

I wish my favorite team was the Tampa Bay Lightning