Rumor: Tallon: Adding a goal scorer is a priority

[RainingRats]

I don't really know how to answer this other than saying yes there is that mentality everywhere and it's obvious. We need this player and that coach and it would be so much better to be a fan of this team. It's obvious. Not sre where I defended the team in this post or frankly anywhere.



Actually no. We've been playing horribly. And it's not on the coach. The bottom six we have is pretty horrible. We're getting outplayed a lot and it is mostly their fault. We sacrificed our tight clutch and grab players that did a good job mucking up the game and getting it played how we wanted it for a bunch of younger faster guys that are worse positionally and are getting outplayed thoroughly out there making us a bottom 5 possession team in the league. Hint: that's not a good place to be.

Sorry, but of course it's on the coach. It's up for debate for how much is on him but he's absolutely responsible for the success and failure of this team. You're basically saying he's been perfect and the play of this team is out of his control. That's completely ridiculous.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

Sorry, but of course it's on the coach. It's up for debate for how much is on him but he's absolutely responsible for the success and failure of this team. You're basically saying he's been perfect and the play of this team is out of his control. That's completely ridiculous.

Please stop making things up and putting words in my mouth. He's actually doing a decent job to account for how bad they've been by sheltering them a ton and they're still getting hemmed in way too much. The top line has been good. Second line average. Third and fourth? Bad. He doesn't control what players are on the team or how poorly they may happen to play. He can't go out there and hold the stick for them. He can only put the team in a position to succeed and hope the players play well. They haven't. I'm starting to think Gerard ran over your dog.

 

[RainingRats]

Please stop making things up and putting words in my mouth. He's actually doing a decent job to account for how bad they've been by sheltering them a ton and they're still getting hemmed in way too much. The top line has been good. Second line average. Third and fourth? Bad. He doesn't control what players are on the team or how poorly they may happen to play. He can't go out there and hold the stick for them. He can only put the team in a position to succeed and hope the players play well. They haven't. I'm starting to think Gerard ran over your dog.

The fourth line is better this year than last years by a mile. The problem is we can't score more than two goals, top line included. Second line has been below average.

He doesn't put the team in a position to succeed when he starts the non scoring lines in the offensive zone a majority of the time.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

The fourth line is better this year than last years by a mile. The problem is we can't score more than two goals, top line included. Second line has been below average.

He doesn't put the team in a position to succeed when he starts the non scoring lines in the offensive zone a majority of the time.

I'll put the stats together later. I'm on my phone now but I'll start with the fact that despite the fact that the fourth line starts in the O zone a majority of the time yet is getting dominated in possession. Not good.

 

[adam graves]

I'll put the stats together later. I'm on my phone now but I'll start with the fact that despite the fact that the fourth line starts in the O zone a majority of the time yet is getting dominated in possession. Not good.

Sitting down our fastest player to play our slowest is on nobody but the coach.

This on a team who cant score3 goals in a game.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

I don't really know how to answer this other than saying yes there is that mentality everywhere and it's obvious. We need this player and that coach and it would be so much better to be a fan of this team. It's obvious. Not sre where I defended the team in this post or frankly anywhere.



Actually no. We've been playing horribly. And it's not on the coach. The bottom six we have is pretty horrible. We're getting outplayed a lot and it is mostly their fault. We sacrificed our tight clutch and grab players that did a good job mucking up the game and getting it played how we wanted it for a bunch of younger faster guys that are worse positionally and are getting outplayed thoroughly out there making us a bottom 5 possession team in the league. Hint: that's not a good place to be.

Our top 6 isn't much better. In fact, I'd argue it's one of the worst top 6 in the league. Probably bottom 5

 

[FlaPanthers11]

Sitting down our fastest player to play our slowest is on nobody but the coach.

This on a team who cant score3 goals in a game.

OK. The fourth line has been pretty horrible regardless of the players playing. I'm not firing the guy over that.

Our top 6 isn't much better. In fact, I'd argue it's one of the worst top 6 in the league. Probably bottom 5

Ok. Fire the coach. Well, that's the argument anyway. Thanks for adding to my point.

 

[MPGA]

Speaking of snipers I wish one would take me out when I pick up the remote to turn on the Panthers game.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

OK. The fourth line has been pretty horrible regardless of the players playing. I'm not firing the guy over that.



Ok. Fire the coach. Well, that's the argument anyway. Thanks for adding to my point.

I don't know how this relates to my comment..?

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Speaking of snipers I wish one would take me out when I pick up the remote to turn on the Panthers game.

Hahahaha I'll call Tom Berenger and see what he's up to.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

I don't know how this relates to my comment..?

You want to fire the coach because the players suck.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

You want to fire the coach because the players suck.

I don't think all the players suck, just most of them. Do you have another solution? Fire all the players?

 

[FlaPanthers11]

I don't think all the players suck, just most of them. Do you have another solution? Fire all the players?

Be a little more patient and get better players? Firing the coach isn't going to magically make these ones better.

 

[Ryuji Yamazaki]

Be a little more patient and get better players? Firing the coach isn't going to magically make these ones better.

I've been patient..for about 15 years lol.

I mean, I agree we definitely need better players but Gallant isn't doing himself any favors either. The PK has been an abomination, the power play the same thing. At some point he's gonna have to go.

I mean, aren't our owners loaded. Call up Scotty Bowman and throw the kitchen sink at him.

 

[I am not exposed]

I've been patient..for about 15 years lol.

I mean, I agree we definitely need better players but Gallant isn't doing himself any favors either. The PK has been an abomination, the power play the same thing. At some point he's gonna have to go.

I mean, aren't our owners loaded. Call up Scotty Bowman and throw the kitchen sink at him.

The Pk has been good recently. The pp has been poor though

 

[Brokin]

OK. The fourth line has been pretty horrible regardless of the players playing. I'm not firing the guy over that.



Ok. Fire the coach. Well, that's the argument anyway. Thanks for adding to my point.

The 3rd and 4th lines have been in flux for most of the year. The only common denominator has been at center, and even those guys have been back and forth between the 3rd and 4th. Bolland is a pure defensive center and Mac is defensive, forecheck banger, and FO specialist. Other than JJ, the kids have been in and out of the lineup with our good friend Thornton needing ice time, so how do you get any continuity or point the finger at the bottom 6 when the wing position has had little stability. Rocco has been up, Brick has been up and down, and Shaw just got here. Of the youth movement, only Howden has seen substantial playing time with 26 games and is a plus 3.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

The 3rd and 4th lines have been in flux for most of the year. The only common denominator has been at center, and even those guys have been back and forth between the 3rd and 4th. Bolland is a pure defensive center and Mac is defensive, forecheck banger, and FO specialist. Other than JJ, the kids have been in and out of the lineup with our good friend Thornton needing ice time, so how do you get any continuity or point the finger at the bottom 6 when the wing position has had little stability. Rocco has been up, Brick has been up and down, and Shaw just got here. Of the youth movement, only Howden has seen substantial playing time with 26 games and is a plus 3.

Because outside of Garret Wilson they are all our worst possession players with no top six player interrupting that statistic despite starting the majority of the starts in the o zone. The bottom six is the reason we are a bottom five possession team. The first line is doing well. That's about it. The second line could stand to improve some but they haven't been terrible. Despite the discontinuities, whoever has been in the spot of LW4, RW4, LW3, RW3 has been a bad possession player. And there are three players to a line so it isn't all on the center.

 

[EstConf96*]

We will end up with some washed out plug or empty promises of that shrimp of a player R.Grimaldi. FlaPanthers11 i admire your borderline ridicolous levels of optimism but you have to wake up and face the music. We are in a really bad shape and only thing we can change is the GM and Coach.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

We will end up with some washed out plug or empty promises of that shrimp of a player R.Grimaldi. FlaPanthers11 i admire your borderline ridicolous levels of optimism but you have to wake up and face the music. We are in a really bad shape and only thing we can change is the GM and Coach.

I've said on this page alone that the players suck and am repeatedly saying how we are bad and a bottom possession team in the league and stressing how bad that is. But firing the coach or GM now isn't going to "save our season" nor is it the right move. (Talking coach only here). I don't see ridiculous optimism.

 

[Brokin]

Because outside of Garret Wilson they are all our worst possession players with no top six player interrupting that statistic despite starting the majority of the starts in the o zone. The bottom six is the reason we are a bottom five possession team. The first line is doing well. That's about it. The second line could stand to improve some but they haven't been terrible. Despite the discontinuities, whoever has been in the spot of LW4, RW4, LW3, RW3 has been a bad possession player. And there are three players to a line so it isn't all on the center.

I hate it when I hear possession is everything. Go ask Linda Blair how that worked out?

You want better possession on the bottom six you'll have to wait until Crouse and Hawryluk get here. They both work down low very well and have the speed to get in on the forecheck. You just don't grow these guys on trees. Wilson is fine down low but he is also slow and has a problem getting in on the forecheck. It's tough to find perfect solutions to the possession game on the 3rd and 4th line until such time as the draft prospects begin to arrive with the big team. Both of these guys are pretty green as far as the NHL is concerned, but I think you will find what you are looking for next season. I have no problem with Shaw, Brick or Howden doing an excellent job on their respective lines this seasn and see them continuing to get better as long as they are given the ice time. Next season you will see an increase in possession with the bottom six if Crouse and Hawryluk stick with the big team.

Huberdeau's lack of scoring worries me more than these guys.

 

[Brokin]

We will end up with some washed out plug or empty promises of that shrimp of a player R.Grimaldi. FlaPanthers11 i admire your borderline ridicolous levels of optimism but you have to wake up and face the music. We are in a really bad shape and only thing we can change is the GM and Coach.

GM ain't going anywhere until near the end of the season. If they are firmly out of the playoffs, you may see Tallon let go a month or so before the end if someone enticing becomes available. I still think they like Tallon as he is doing a good job with a franchise that is not a destination for most bonafide NHL stars. This leaves us at the bottom of the heap with most UFA's(unless we obscenely overpay), and anyone who has control over where they are traded. My guess is Cifu is on the phone with Lamoriello as they have a previous relationship from NJ. Lamoriello is well respected and could give Doug the name's of a few protege's who would fit what they are looking for. The problem with that is Lou now works for the Leaf's and he is not long until he retires, so I doubt Lou is going to give Cifu his top picks as those will be reserved for his replacement.

Tallon to me is still sitting in the catbird seat as I think he is still part of the inner circle up in Toronto and is someone who is good as long as he's kept on a short leash. Cifu/Viola need to be patient, and this is not something that is part of Cifu's makeup. One impulsive move could tear apart what will probably be a very good playoff team for many years with a couple more successful drafts.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

I hate it when I hear possession is everything. Go ask Linda Blair how that worked out?

You want better possession on the bottom six you'll have to wait until Crouse and Hawryluk get here. They both work down low very well and have the speed to get in on the forecheck. You just don't grow these guys on trees. Wilson is fine down low but he is also slow and has a problem getting in on the forecheck. It's tough to find perfect solutions to the possession game on the 3rd and 4th line until such time as the draft prospects begin to arrive with the big team. Both of these guys are pretty green as far as the NHL is concerned, but I think you will find what you are looking for next season. I have no problem with Shaw, Brick or Howden doing an excellent job on their respective lines this seasn and see them continuing to get better as long as they are given the ice time. Next season you will see an increase in possession with the bottom six if Crouse and Hawryluk stick with the big team.

Huberdeau's lack of scoring worries me more than these guys.

I'm not saying it's everything. I'm saying it's largely indicative of how good a team is.

Stanley Cup Champions and their possession rank in the corresponding regular season:

2015: CHI (2nd)
2014: LA (1st)
2013: CHI (4th)
2012: LA (2nd)
2011: BOS (14th) Tim Thomas
2010: CHI (1st)
2009: PIT (19th) Two best players in the world
2008: DET (1st)

So unless we're getting one of those outliers I want to be a good possession team. We've regressed big time in that aspect this season (so far). That first line starting in the D zone every time is carrying their weight. Second line not as much but still all have positive CorsiRels. Bottom six have just not been good. This is why people are complaining that we are a one line team and that we seem to get outplayed so much. But I do agree with a good majority of your post there and your last post is very good.

 

[Brokin]

I'm not saying it's everything. I'm saying it's largely indicative of how good a team is.

Stanley Cup Champions and their possession rank in the corresponding regular season:

2015: CHI (2nd)
2014: LA (1st)
2013: CHI (4th)
2012: LA (2nd)
2011: BOS (14th) Tim Thomas
2010: CHI (1st)
2009: PIT (19th) Two best players in the world
2008: DET (1st)

So unless we're getting one of those outliers I want to be a good possession team. We've regressed big time in that aspect this season (so far). That first line starting in the D zone every time is carrying their weight. Second line not as much but still all have positive CorsiRels. Bottom six have just not been good. This is why people are complaining that we are a one line team and that we seem to get outplayed so much. But I do agree with a good majority of your post there and your last post is very good.

Those were all and some still are very impressive Stanley Cup contenders. We are nowhere near that class at this point being probably a minus bubble team. I think if you are patient a few more years, we will be rewarded with at the very least a consistent playoff team or a contender.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Lamoriello is freaking terrible these days. Tallon is light years better. That's why he re-signed from NJ, he didn't want to ruin them anymore, and he went to the Leafs. Because, you know, it's the Leafs. If that happens, we will definitely take a step back.

 

[Brokin]

Lamoriello is freaking terrible these days. Tallon is light years better. That's why he re-signed from NJ, he didn't want to ruin them anymore, and he went to the Leafs. Because, you know, it's the Leafs. If that happens, we will definitely take a step back.

I never said hire Lamoriello. I only said he could be used as a sounding board for a GM hire. For whatever he is now, he is also a guy who built a very successful franchise in NJ. Unfortunately, he tried to buy his way back to prominence. Doesn't work.