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Jussi

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The story is 2/3 of the way through.

For the original films only 3 people were shown to properly handle a lightsaber.

In fact during those films there were a grand total of 5 characters that could use the force.

At the end of the OT there was only 1 person left alive with a lightsaber or mastery of the force.

As of this point in the newest trilogy you have had

Luke
Kylo
Rey
Snoke
Leia

And we now know Kylo took some of the other students with him to be the Knights of Ren so there are another group of trained force sensitives. Whether or not they have lightsabers we don't know yet.

But we do know the new trilogy has more force sensations than the original, and at least as many saber duellists.

Regarding the hero being female and men being stronger than women, physical strength has nothing to do with mastery of the force, yoda was a tiny, and was stronger than any other light side character, the emperor was old and physically frail, he was stronger then all the other characters

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It seems a lot of people who dislike this film ignored all of the promotional work and had set themselves unrealistic expectations as to what was going to happen.

I saw the movie yesterdday with a friend who had already seen it one Wednesday and she liked parts of it more than TFA (same for me), though she was left a bit puzzled as well. Also a big fan of Kylo Ren. :laugh: We both agreed that if you read all the fan specualtions before the movie and thought some of them might be accurate, you'd be disappointed by the movie. Both of us LOVED that none of the fan speculations were correct and liked that the director basically took a huge dump on them. Just when you thought that the movie would have gone in an expected direction, it pulled a 180. Just when you think that Kylo was going turn face, he doesn't, because he's a power hungry dick. Though it does sort of wipe out a lot of the past, like Kylo, it leaves so much stuff wide open. We're heading into comletely undiscovered territory with Episode 9 and love it. Internet will be pissed that there's very little they can speculate and once again, I love it. :D
 
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I saw the movie yesterdday with a friend who had already seen it one Wednesday and she liked it more than TFA (same for me), though she was left a bit puzzled as well. Also a big fan of Kylo Ren. :laugh: We both agreed that if you read all the fan specualtions before the movie and thought some of them might be accurate, you'd be disappointed by the movie. Both of us LOVED that none of the fan speculations were correct and liked that the director basically took a huge dump on them. Just when you thought that the movie would have gone in an expected direction, it pulled a 180. Just when you think that Kylo was going turn face, he doesn't, because he's a power hungry dick. Though it does sort of wipe out a lot of the past, like Kylo, it leaves so much stuff wide open. We're heading into comletely undiscovered territory with Episode 9 and love it. Internet will be pissed that there's very little they can speculate and once again, I love it. :D

I think one of the things fans have struggled with is that it definitely did not go as expected - like, ever. People built up all these scenarios in their head, and when those don’t happen, they get caught off guard and turns some people off at first. I’m not saying that explains all the negativity, but I don’t that’s where a lot of it stems from.

It’s time to move on to new stuff, and 9 leaves the door open for anything to happen. That’s good. Star Wars needs that. I’m glad I don’t know a ton heading into 9 besides Rey v Ren and what I think will be an internal battle between Hux and Kylo. It’s gone on it’s own path, and that’s what I’ve wanted.

As Kylo says, “it’s time to let the past die.” This is a different age and era of Star Wars, and it’s time to accept that. This new one is fun and entertaining as well, once you get past the fact that you’re going to have to go out of a “Star Wars comfort zone.”

I’m pumped. Doesn’t mean 9 won’t be a total flop, but there’s a lot there to be done with so many ways to go, because it’s wide open as far as what to do next.
 

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I think one of the things fans have struggled with is that it definitely did not go as expected - like, ever. People built up all these scenarios in their head, and when those don’t happen, they get caught off guard and turns some people off at first. I’m not saying that explains all the negativity, but I don’t that’s where a lot of it stems from.

It’s time to move on to new stuff, and 9 leaves the door open for anything to happen. That’s good. Star Wars needs that. I’m glad I don’t know a ton heading into 9 besides Rey v Ren and what I think will be an internal battle between Hux and Kylo. It’s gone on it’s own path, and that’s what I’ve wanted.

As Kylo says, “it’s time to let the past die.” This is a different age and era of Star Wars, and it’s time to accept that. This new one is fun and entertaining as well, once you get past the fact that you’re going to have to go out of a “Star Wars comfort zone.”

I’m pumped. Doesn’t mean 9 won’t be a total flop, but there’s a lot there to be done with so many ways to go, because it’s wide open as far as what to do next.

Yeah, I actually just talked to my friend and overall she thought TFA was a more cohesive movie plotwise and felt more like Star Wars even though it was copying A New Hope a lot.
 

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I explained my problem with the female lead in my first rant post but I guess people just want to take things out of context.

The problem with a female lead is this - the Star Wars universe was male-dominated. One of my favorite characters in the entire universe is Ahsoka Tano but nowhere was it referenced that she was the most powerful force-user/lightsaber duelist around. We were always shown males like Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Anakin/Vader, Luke, Sidious as the strongest force users.

It's basically what has been presented to me over the past however many years I've been watching Star Wars related stuff. It's their own fault.

To be honest - the major reason why there is a female lead has to do with marketing. Disney wanted a female lead so they would get more girls/women to go watch the movie or being interested in it. It's a money move.

As for the actor, Daisey Ridley, does a great job playing Rey. And as I said previously, I don't have an issue with her character at all - I have a much bigger issue being that the storyline sucks, and that's a personal opinion, but a lot of people in my circle have the same feelings. They don't think the story arc is that good. It's very much below-average.
 
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Still not happy with how they handled Snoke. After showing him to be so powerful, at some point should of had Luke just wreck him to show how he was a big fish in a little pond then have Kylo take over as Supreme Leader and have his anger over Luke because he killed Snoke. Now we have some dumb Hux vs Kylo plot for IX

Also Rey should have a double sided lightsaber
 

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I think it was a good movie, but I did not like it as a SW movie. The movie could have used more seriousness and realism in many scenes and less comedy and stupid dialogs. I enyoed it, but it is pretty frustating that it had much more potential.


I'm pretty sure most of these points have been mentioned before:

What i liked:

- cinematography
- use of the soundtrack
- small ,sometimes subtle, hints and homages to the OT. TFA was way too obivious with many of these things.
- Hamill performance
- Driver performance
- R2 scene with Luke
- Yoda Scene with Luke
- Mon Calamari cruiser kamikaze attack
- Holo-Luke vs. Kylo
- Lukes Ending / Twin Suns scene, but I would have preferred if he would have surived till IX to face Kylo in person
- Throne room fight, bonus points for decapitated heads

What i did not like:

- Finn/Rose story line. The plot for that line was bad, but the entire Casino planet scenes were way too stupid. They also should have let Rose die after the speeder collision. If they had to have that stupid story line maybe change Rose with Poe and build up the frendship between Poe and Finn.
- Crait ground battle was way too short
- the space battles were pretty lackluster and did not pull you in like the ones in ROTJ or even R1
- killing off Ackbar the way they did. He should have done the kamikaze attack.
- killing off Snoke so fast after building him up as a mystierous (TFA) and powerful (TLJ) person and without many answers on his background
- Space leia
- most of the comedy scenes were good/ok, but there were just way too many of them
- FO not detecting 30+ transports when they were virtually in view range.
- Lack of Chewie and R2
- Poe vs. the turrets and BB2 "fixing" the x-wing
- Lack of aliens
- Missed opportunity to have some well kown species in the casino. That entire scene felt nothing like a Star Wars movie.
- Finn and Rose riding those Harry Potter creatures.
- BB8 "AT-ST" scene
- Finn and Rose surviging the kamikazee attack with only some bruises while "hundrets" of FO troopers around them die or vanish. Why does Phasma need that stupid dramatic entrance through the smoke when she was standing besides them just moments before?
- lack of using Phasma and killing her off so fast, well maybe she comes back
- the Entire "FO chasing the Resistance" thing wasn't really believable
- lack of fuel for the ships? That never seemed to be a problem for big ships in SW, but suddenly it is just to create this stupid chase story line.
- I never careed about any side regardin any SJW bull****/drama, but the intentions by Disney in some scenes were beyond obvious. They should really stop worry about reaching or even exceeding certain quotas just to be politically correct. They should just concentrate on making a good Star Wars movie.
- lack of big scale battles in a Star wars movie
- lack of a real lightsaber fight


Ranking as a normal movie: 7/10
Ranking as SW movie: 5/10

" Finn and Rose riding those HarryPotter creatures."

...what? Do you know anything about Harry Potter?

Harry Potter's creatures are usually along the gothic fantasy style...those were the farthest from that

To all the people comparing it to Harry Potter in a negative sense, you know Harry Potter is based off of a book series? And it's more consistently acclaimed, and is a far deeper, darker, more personal and thematically prescient story about someone coming to terms with death? That was inspired by the authors experiences with death and depression and poverty and domestic abuse?

People talk about Harry Potter as if it's this really lightweight, silly, simple story...which far more fits Star Wars than Potter. It could not be more different from what the series is actually like. From the aesthetic to the content. A formative elemement in the Harry Potter series is its gothic styling and fantasy horror elements.
 

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I explained my problem with the female lead in my first rant post but I guess people just want to take things out of context.

The problem with a female lead is this - the Star Wars universe was male-dominated. One of my favorite characters in the entire universe is Ahsoka Tano but nowhere was it referenced that she was the most powerful force-user/lightsaber duelist around. We were always shown males like Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Anakin/Vader, Luke, Sidious as the strongest force users.

It's basically what has been presented to me over the past however many years I've been watching Star Wars related stuff. It's their own fault.

To be honest - the major reason why there is a female lead has to do with marketing. Disney wanted a female lead so they would get more girls/women to go watch the movie or being interested in it. It's a money move.

As for the actor, Daisey Ridley, does a great job playing Rey. And as I said previously, I don't have an issue with her character at all - I have a much bigger issue being that the storyline sucks, and that's a personal opinion, but a lot of people in my circle have the same feelings. They don't think the story arc is that good. It's very much below-average.
The problem is that you openly admit that you prefer a Fantasy Universe where males are unquestionably the dominant gender. And the fact that they dare to challenge that notion, not outright flip it and make females the dominant gender, but rather simply show that it is possible they can be as powerful, rocks you to your very core. It's extremely telling.
 

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Guys, Star Wars isn't supposed to be f***ing Hamlet. It isn't supposed to be Citizen f***ing Kane. It is a damn space opera. That's all it always has been. Lucas's genius was creating a fascinating universe and Disney is building on that universe. Star Wars was never original with its plot... it was always a pretty straight forward epic story... and it still is. Good vs evil, some twists, some moral conflicts within key characters. Stories like that have been told for more than 2000 years. Greek mythology is FULL of them. Westerns mostly have the same structure as well. I could give 100s of examples.

Some of the points some of you are raising, while true, could be raised about any of the OT films. How the f*** Luke was supposed to best Vader after 2 weeks of training? How did he get that much better with no mentors left? Many of these things (and others) have been explained after the initial movies. That's why we understand them. The same will likely happen. Books will be written about Snoke. It is a product, Disney will exploit it as much as it can. We accepted the flaws of the OT because we were mesmerize by the universe and... well... because, mostly, we were kids back then. For those too young, you were told they were classics and believed it because people that introduced you to them did make you feel how they felt when they first watched them. Shared experience, you know.

Essentially, people are overanalyzing a popcorn flick that is meant to be a popcorn flick and that SUCCEEDS in being just that. It is entertaining enough. It does make you go through many emotions, it does surprises you at times and, at the end, it makes you wonder what's next. Some of it sucks, some of it doesn't make any lick of sense, some of it is even insulting to our intelligence, but, in the end, it doesn't f***ing matter. It is entertaining enough, it feels like Star Wars enough and it plays on our emotions enough. It is cliché, yes, but Star Wars always was and there is a reason why it is... it works. We can all sit here and bitch about TLJ as much as we want... we will repeat the same song and dance in 2 years and go watch IX.

Stop thinking too hard about it and analyzing it as though you were some film scholar (and scholars wouldn't even look at it for its "quality"). Enjoy the ride... or don't. I sometime feel like Star Wars fans enjoy bitching about Star Wars more than they enjoy the universe. Be a child again, smile again, enjoy yourself again. That's what Star Wars always was. Some of it sucks, some of it is great, but at the end of the day, it's all about the magic.
 

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The problem is that you openly admit that you prefer a Fantasy Universe where males are unquestionably the dominant gender. And the fact that they dare to challenge that notion, not outright flip it and make females the dominant gender, but rather simply show that it is possible they can be as powerful, rocks you to your very core. It's extremely telling.
Except this is not what or why Disney did it. It was a marketing ploy to gather more interest from the female gender.

Disney didn't pick a girl to be the lead character to challenge and show the notion that they can be as powerful as boys......lol are you joking?? Give your political correctness narrative a rest.

I am simply using evidence presented in the actual 'Star Wars' universe to express my thought and you are simply turning it into some deranged thought experiment that girls being equal to boys rocks me to my very core.

Maybe you missed the part where I wrote that Ahsoka Tano is one of my favorite characters in the entire Star Wars universe. Maybe if the creators had shown more prominent women in the universe then I wouldn't have any issues with their story-telling today.

Forget that argument. The story in the new trilogy is garbage. It's clear that the new movies are targeted as popcorn flicks for teenagers.
 
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Except this is not what or why Disney did it. It was a marketing ploy to gather more interest from the female gender.

Disney didn't pick a girl to be the lead character to challenge and show the notion that they can be as powerful as boys......lol are you joking?? Give your political correctness narrative a rest.

I am simply using evidence presented in the actual 'Star Wars' universe to express my thought and you are simply turning it into some deranged thought experiment that girls being equal to boys rocks me to my very core.

Maybe you missed the part where I wrote that Ahsoka Tano is one of my favorite characters in the entire Star Wars universe. Maybe if the creators had shown more prominent women in the universe then I wouldn't have any issues with their story-telling today.

Forget that argument. The story in the new trilogy is garbage. It's clear that the new movies are targeted as popcorn flicks for teenagers.

That is what it always f***ing was...
 
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Except this is not what or why Disney did it. It was a marketing ploy to gather more interest from the female gender.

Disney didn't pick a girl to be the lead character to challenge and show the notion that they can be as powerful as boys......lol are you joking?? Give your political correctness narrative a rest.

I am simply using evidence presented in the actual 'Star Wars' universe to express my thought and you are simply turning it into some deranged thought experiment that girls being equal to boys rocks me to my very core.

Maybe you missed the part where I wrote that Ahsoka Tano is one of my favorite characters in the entire Star Wars universe. Maybe if the creators had shown more prominent women in the universe then I wouldn't have any issues with their story-telling today.

Forget that argument. The story in the new trilogy is garbage. It's clear that the new movies are targeted as popcorn flicks for teenagers.

Isn't the whole reason Disney is making more Star Wars movies at all to make money? But only certain aspects of the wanting to make money bother you somehow. They only included lots of characters to make money, BB-8 to sell toys, ect...

You used evidence from a SW movie(s) to say males should be superior to females. Now there is new evidence that this idea isn't necessarily true. What makes evidence from one movie more important than another?

The creators just did show more prominent women in the universe. That is the exact thing you are upset about.

THE OLD MOVIES WERE TARGETED AS POPCORN FLICKS FOR TEENAGERS.

The problem is those teenagers got older, but their fanatical love of the SW universe didn't. It just become more cynical and obsessive.
 

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Leia flying through space was one of the most ridiculous things ever, I couldn't stop laughing at that scene. Overall not a bad movie but not a great one either, too many problems with the plot. The scenes with Kylo and Ray are my favorite parts of the movie, Luke and Snoke were great too.
 

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TLJ serves its characters much more than it’s plot. I think that’s part of the reason why it’s divisive now, but will seen in a much more positive light once the whole trilogy is finished.
Kylo Ren is a slam dunk masterpiece of a character already, no matter what happens in IX.
 

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After the Force Awakens, my biggest problem was that the Hero of the movie was a Female. The poster before me is happy that his daughter gets to see a female being a badass hero, which I think is great as well.....so I got over this in the past 2 years. Because before this movie, the Star Wars universe was dominated by Jedi/Sith who were male...and tbh...male fighters are simply born to be stronger than female fighters....BUT ANYWAY....like I said ... I got over the fact that the movie is trying to be politically correct and for a new audience/generation.

After The Last Jedi, my main problem is that Star Wars isn't really Star Wars anymore. There are no lightsaber battles anymore. None....apparently everyone who knows how to use a lightsaber/control the force is dead other than Kylo Ren and Rey.

They don't show scenes of Kylo being an absolute beast with his lightsaber/force skills and they definitely don't show scenes of Rey doing that....cuz well...Rey for 2 movies now...is just a padawan......

The sith and jedi are masters with such power that they can defeat large groups of people by themselves in battle.....and there are some who are stronger than others....and that was the way of the Star Wars world.

And these two new movies have NONE of that. My favourite scene of Rogue One was when Vader comes and absolutely demolishes everyone at the end. Now all we get in Star Wars movies is people using space pistols and glorified tanks / planes fighting each other.

Then please tell me.....what the **** is the point of Star Wars??? This is so bloody frustrating. It's a disgrace to the franchise. You go into the movie hoping to see some badass force usage....Kylo Ren mowing down 20-25 people using his Lightsaber and the force.....and you get absolutely peanuts. You get Poe destroying an entire ship by himself pretty much. Some chick dropping bombs.

The clone wars/rebels cartoons are way better. /end rant.

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Honestly...they should have started this trilogy by Luke Skywalker rebuilding the Jedi Temple and taking control of the Galaxy once more.....and built Kylo Ren as a Jedi who had defected and was Snoke's apprentice....but still....the Jedi were resurgent and back in control...

and they should have taken it from there.....

This whole Rebel vs First Order nonsense is getting tiresome. They screwed up the potential of a new trilogy so badly.

It's such a huge miss in terms of storyline because now you just get to see a bunch of average humans just not on Earth.....seriously ..... the only thing unique about these movies are the fact that they dont take place on Earth.

I explained my problem with the female lead in my first rant post but I guess people just want to take things out of context.

The problem with a female lead is this - the Star Wars universe was male-dominated. One of my favorite characters in the entire universe is Ahsoka Tano but nowhere was it referenced that she was the most powerful force-user/lightsaber duelist around. We were always shown males like Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Anakin/Vader, Luke, Sidious as the strongest force users.

It's basically what has been presented to me over the past however many years I've been watching Star Wars related stuff. It's their own fault.

To be honest - the major reason why there is a female lead has to do with marketing. Disney wanted a female lead so they would get more girls/women to go watch the movie or being interested in it. It's a money move.

As for the actor, Daisey Ridley, does a great job playing Rey. And as I said previously, I don't have an issue with her character at all - I have a much bigger issue being that the storyline sucks, and that's a personal opinion, but a lot of people in my circle have the same feelings. They don't think the story arc is that good. It's very much below-average.

There's so much wrong here it's hard to figure out where to start. But let's begin.

male fighters are simply born to be stronger than female fighters

Christ. This crap. Let's avoid the rampant sexism for a hot minute but let's focus on who the "fighters" are in Star Wars. The Jedi do not rely exclusively on physical strength and a lithe, agile Jedi is just as deadly as a muscle-bound powerful one. "Judge me by my size, do you?" Yoda, a 2'2", 875 year old creature who weighs less than 40 pounds is the strongest Jedi of all time at the time of the Great Jedi Purge and could easily handle opponents 3 times his size. If that's believable why not a woman at peak physical condition? After all, Yoda's strength had nothing to do with his size but his mastery of his combat style and the Force. As others have pointed out there's been numerous powerful women who are Force wielders, including some portrayed in the prequels and extended universe.

And these two new movies have NONE of that.

And the original trilogy had none of that either. You had Obi-Wan and Yoda who were old men, a half-trained (at best) Luke, and Vader. The first lightsaber battle we see in the original Star Wars moves at a positively geriatric pace. That's probably one of the things that prequel trilogy did well was to show the Jedi at the height of their power. Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan versus Maul was literally like nothing we'd seen before and it wasn't just because of Maul's double-bladed lightsaber, it was because there was actual flow to the combat to the point where it was an artform. In canon, you lose that with the Great Jedi Purge.

As for badass use of the Force, well, there's really not much of that in the original trilogy either, especially compared to what's in the Expanded Universe. Offhand, in Star Wars you have Obi-Wan use Jedi mind tricks and Vader use Force choke. In Empire Strikes Back you see Luke and Vader both manipulate objects via the Force (telekinesis/Force pull/Force push) and Vader use Force choke. In Return of the Jedi, you see Luke use Jedi mind tricks and Force choke and Palpatine use Force lightning. So that's what, four powers through three movies? Well gee, what the **** is the point of Star Wars?

It's such a huge miss in terms of storyline because now you just get to see a bunch of average humans just not on Earth.....seriously ..... the only thing unique about these movies are the fact that they dont take place on Earth.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record...that's essentially what the original trilogy was as well and one of the biggest knocks on the prequels (aside from the writing) was the heavy reliance on CGI to make it more than "a bunch of average humans just not on Earth." Even still, you essentially have only one non-human character as a main character (Jar Jar in the prequels, Chewie in the original and sequel trilogy).

The problem with a female lead is this - the Star Wars universe was male-dominated.

Was it? Or was that just your perception of it? Which protagonist in the original trilogy do we first see being a bad ass? Leia and throughout Leia's a strong character who'll willingly pick up a blaster rifle and kick ass. Likewise for Padme in the prequels. Likewise for Jyn in Rogue One. The Rebellion? One of the key leaders is a woman, Mon Mothma. In the prequels we see female Jedi like Luminara Unduli, Barris Offee, and again, as others have pointed out various expansions into the franchise have given us female Force users like Asajj Ventress, Ahsoka Tano, Kreia/DarthTraya (who led the Sith Troika in KOTOR 2), Meetra Surik, Bastila Shan, (who was considered one of the strongest Jedi of her era evan as a Padawan) and Satele Shan (who was Grand Master of the Order) and a host of others. Your ignorance of the Universe at large is your problem, not Rey as the Force-wielding protagonist of this trilogy.
 

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Just saw it... wow, absolutely brutal. Even though my bar was set low after TFA, it somehow still managed to go under it.
 
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This movie sounds absolutely trash. I saw the last one and it was trash too. Everything Luke, Leah, and Han did is meaningless. Leah/Han meaningless. Luke is garbage and a child nephew killer now. I guess all he ever cared about was turning fathers from dark to light. Nephews not so much, they can get the slice. Fin is basically a walking joke. Who's idea was it to make his character be just a stagnant idiot? Snoke turned out to be a giant joke too. Where was he during the previous movies? Who cares, the guy's dead and a joke. Such a let down. Leah is superman and meaningless. Yoda, a ghost, lightning bolts a tree. Why doesn't he just ghost-lightning bolt Kylo and be done with all of this? Why didn't he just ghost-lightning bolt Vader/Sidious in the first ones? The guy is a nut and all he cares about is blazing an apparently meaningless tree.

This movie just sounds like absolute trash. Chewie is now a vegan. Kylo an Rey have a force-skype chat and don't even ask how it's happening in the first place. Imagine you have never heard of a telephone, and one appears in your hand and you're talking to someone. Does neither of you really ask how it's happening? Casino scene meant to bash capitalism? It's as if a Berkely SJW wrote this. I rather read a fan fic. What a joke. They free the animals like it's some sort of Harry Potter flick. Luke the depressed, failure, recluse, wannabe child killer, decides to kill himself in the end. Who didn't see that coming? R2 shows up, shows some hologram crap, and then that's it. Pretty much the same role it had in the last one. The resistance is just a bunch of suicide bombing jokes now. I have no idea why Disney's trying to glorify that. Luke milks some random beast, and drinks it. Rey is Star Wars Jesus. Honestly this movie is just complete garbage. I didn't think they could make a worse Star Wars movie than the Force Awakens, but somehow they managed to.

Original Trilogy>Prequels>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Star Wars Christmas Special>>>>>>>Rogue One>Force Awakening>Last Jedi

End of Spoilers.

It's okay if anyone enjoys it. If you like it, I'm glad you found something enjoyable. For me, the story ended with the 6th one.

MTFBWY
 
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