Solving the Tanking issue

[Dragao6]

What if NHL implements a 1 game elimination tournament for all teams not in playoffs for the 1st overall pick, 3rd place game for 3rd pick?

Force lower teams to try and make playoffs and if they don't they have to beat others for top pick...have teams earn it, Offer money compensation for winning the draft to motivate players to compete and NHL makes additional money with these important games.

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[Canada4Gold]

give the Leafs Matthews and we promise not to tank next year, problem solved

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

What if NHL implements a 1 game elimination tournament for all teams not in playoffs for the 1st overall pick, 3rd place game for 3rd pick?

Force lower teams to try and make playoffs and if they don't they have to beat others for top pick...have teams earn it, Offer money compensation for winning the draft to motivate players to compete and NHL makes additional money with these important games.

Good luck getting the NHLPA to agree to that.

 

[Craig Button]

unnecessary games.

 

[Craig Button]

All you have to do is reverse the order for non-playoff teams.

Teams with most points gets 1st pick.

Problem solved & no unnecessary games

 

[SprDaVE]

...What?

 

[Craig Button]

what I would do to make RFA really interesting is the Bottom 5 Teams can sign RFA's without losing draft picks.

 

[Mess]

What if NHL implements a 1 game elimination tournament for all teams not in playoffs for the 1st overall pick, 3rd place game for 3rd pick?

Force lower teams to try and make playoffs and if they don't they have to beat others for top pick...have teams earn it, Offer money compensation for winning the draft to motivate players to compete and NHL makes additional money with these important games.

Then a team like Pittsburgh missing the playoffs on the last day and Crosby, Malkin pound the non playoff teams to lock up Auston Matthews and the 1st pick while the weaker NHL teams get the lower choices.

There are 2 things that are currently in place to remove tanking.

1) The lottery draft expanded to the first 3 picks now so the team that finishes last overall could actually pick 4th in the draft even with a full tank season.

2) The Salary Cap floor requires all teams to spend a minimum on players salaries so you can't simply dress your AHL team as your NHL team to try and get #1 overall pick.

So spending to the cap floor and finishing last of all 30 teams in already being monitored and lottery draft restrictions.

 

[gamer1035]

The Leafs are the only team that appears to be tanking. For that reason, even if there is an issue, I don't want it fixed.

I would like there to be a limit to the amount of first overalls you can get cause of that trash Edmonton franchise. Not really fair that they got mcdavid.

 

[Dragao6]

Then a team like Pittsburgh missing the playoffs on the last day and Crosby, Malkin pound the non playoff teams to lock up Auston Matthews and the 1st pick while the weaker NHL teams get the lower choices.

There are 2 things that are currently in place to remove tanking.

1) The lottery draft expanded to the first 3 picks now so the team that finishes last overall could actually pick 4th in the draft even with a full tank season.

2) The Salary Cap floor requires all teams to spend a minimum on players salaries so you can't simply dress your AHL team as your NHL team to try and get #1 overall pick.

So spending to the cap floor and finishing last of all 30 teams in already being monitored and lottery draft restrictions.

Firts of all Pittsburgh is a playoff team but if they happen to not make yet hey tough. I believe instead of cleanign roster to tank and get picks bottom teams are forced to compete every year

and Its essentially 3/4 additional meaningful games, great for TV....

 

[Dragao6]

The Leafs are the only team that appears to be tanking. For that reason, even if there is an issue, I don't want it fixed.

I would like there to be a limit to the amount of first overalls you can get cause of that trash Edmonton franchise. Not really fair that they got mcdavid.

agreed, I like this also

 

[613Leafer]

Too gimmicky and the NHLPA would never sanction it, players don't want to play in a tournament for a high pick.

Easiest solution? Leave the lotteries in place, but put in a rule where you can only have one 1st OA every ten years, and can only win 2 top 3 picks over a 5 year periods.

it helps out those teams that are retooling/rebuilding, but not quite tanking, such as Toronto prior to this year, Carolina, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg prior to last year, Columbus, etc.

As for tanking teams? Well they really can't complain, because they can still get two top 3 picks, and then nothing stops them from getting 4th-6th OA picks, so they can still get very high value picks. But it prevents the ability to blatantly tank for years on end for the top top value picks. Those teams may as well try to retool/rebuild via other means, because even if they dont finish in the bottom 3, because of the above rules they'd still have a pretty good shot at a high pick (assuming they havent already had theirs).

 

[FlareKnight]

All you have to do is reverse the order for non-playoff teams.

Teams with most points gets 1st pick.

Problem solved & no unnecessary games

Yeah, good job creating a hockey ghetto. With teams that can never get out of the bottom of the league because they never get high enough picks.

Good thing the league isn't completely insane and would never use such a poorly thought out system.

 

[Dragao6]

what I would do to make RFA really interesting is the Bottom 5 Teams can sign RFA's without losing draft picks.

this is interesting....i dont know about for free but allow teams to keep their 1st rounder pick but forfeit allot less then playoff teams.

I like this...increase trades, speeds rebuilds, forces teams to tigh up players early, does give players more power though

 

[hamzarocks]

How about a tourney where the teams management along with the rest of the staff play against one another. The management cares for getting high picks so maybe they can go play themselves. Would be cool to see Shanny play wearing a leafs ubiform

 

[-DeMo-]

this is so stupid and comes up year after year, you can't stop tanking, the draft is designed to help out the weak teams to get better the idea of this doesn't help that and a team that gets into the basement might never get out in this type of setup. teams in the basement don't have the players with Value to trade for good players, nor do they have the ability to sign good UFA's because nobody wants to go to a bottom team, the draft is there to help the basement teams get better, never understand why people are so bent on changing a system that bascially all pro sports in north america across the board accept and put into practice for a reason.

 

[Mess]

Firts of all Pittsburgh is a playoff team but if they happen to not make yet hey tough. I believe instead of cleanign roster to tank and get picks bottom teams are forced to compete every year

and Its essentially 3/4 additional meaningful games, great for TV....

The NHL doesn't even like the idea of playing 1 game series to get into the playoffs so they would never endorse where you play games that have even less meaning.

Wouldn't the easiest and simplest solution simply be put all 14 non playoff teams into a hopper (with equal odds) and then pick them lottery style 1 by one for all non playoff teams until all 14 position are done.

That would mean the team that just misses the playoffs finishing 17th overall could win the lottery and pick 1st and vice versa the team that tanks and finishes last could actually end up drafting 14th overall if their ping pong ball comes out last of all of them.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

They can change it after we are done building this thing. The lottery for the first 3 picks is enough without more restrictions.

Leave it alone.

 

[-DeMo-]

What if NHL implements a 1 game elimination tournament for all teams not in playoffs for the 1st overall pick, 3rd place game for 3rd pick?

Force lower teams to try and make playoffs and if they don't they have to beat others for top pick...have teams earn it, Offer money compensation for winning the draft to motivate players to compete and NHL makes additional money with these important games.

think about this for a second if you implemented this system would that have changed anything the Leafs did this year? would they have made different moves in the summer? and like what? cuz imo it wouldn't have changed anything. if anything all this idea does is eliminate the trade Deadline as the lower teams wouldn't want to sell pending UFA's because they would need those players to win the games...

 

[New User Name]

The mistake was changing it in the first place.

Last place gets first pick.

If we don't win the stupid lottery this year (which we won't) I REALLY HOPE EDMONTON does just to see people freak out on here.

 

[Dragao6]

The NHL doesn't even like the idea of playing 1 game series to get into the playoffs so they would never endorse where you play games that have even less meaning.

Wouldn't the easiest and simplest solution simply be put all 14 non playoff teams into a hopper (with equal odds) and then pick them lottery style 1 by one for all non playoff teams until all 14 position are done.

That would mean the team that just misses the playoffs finishing 17th overall could win the lottery and pick 1st and vice versa the team that tanks and finishes last could actually end up drafting 14th overall if their ping pong ball comes out last of all of them.

Is that kinda not what the situation is now? except the odds aren't equal?
Id just like to see teams earn the 1st overall instead of a lottery, kinda same way league trying to get shootout out of games...

League/teams makes money with it also, fun games to watch

people seem to think lottery is the best way to resolve this I guess, I do hate the lottery percentages and the fact its done on an overall standings. Its harder to get points in the West then in the East.

what about:
1st overall pick only bottom 3 of each conference
2nd pick = bottom 5 of each
3rd = all non-playoff teams?

 

[Babcocks Marner]

Yeah, good job creating a hockey ghetto. With teams that can never get out of the bottom of the league because they never get high enough picks.

Good thing the league isn't completely insane and would never use such a poorly thought out system.

This.

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[Dragao6]

think about this for a second if you implemented this system would that have changed anything the Leafs did this year? would they have made different moves in the summer? and like what? cuz imo it wouldn't have changed anything. if anything all this idea does is eliminate the trade Deadline as the lower teams wouldn't want to sell pending UFA's because they would need those players to win the games...

I don't know who but i think Leafs would have been more aggressive in UFA's, Nylander probably would have already played in the NHL. This would allow the Leafs to fight for playoffs or have a stronger team to win 1st overall?!

 

[Ovate]

All you have to do is reverse the order for non-playoff teams.

Teams with most points gets 1st pick.

Problem solved & no unnecessary games

And it introduces a whole new host of problems. If we did this last year, McDavid would be a Bruin and Eichel would be on the Kings.

In general, the best new players should go to the team that needs them the most. It helps prevents teams that are legitimately trying to be better from being permanently stuck in the basement. It stops terrible seasons from being totally wasted, giving a silver lining to the fanbases of bad teams.

The issue is when bad teams are given so much value that it starts incentivizing them to be bad, and their fanbase to cheer for losses.

We have a good system now, and it's been improving with the changed lottery odds and multiple lotterieis. We just need to keep moving in the direction we're going in. Instead of lotteries for the top 3 picks, make it top 5. Eventually, the top 14 could all be lottery based. Further adjust the lottery odds to spread out the chances. Instead of 20/13.5/11.5/9.5/8.5/7.5/6.5/6/5/3.5/3/2.5/2/1, it could be something like 15/13/11/9/8/7.5/7/6.5/6/5.5/5/4.5/3/2.

You don't have to make finishing dead last totally unappealing. You just have to make it less appealing than the trade value increase from doing well, and the increase in sales revenue. How many teams are still going to aim for 30th, when there's a decent chance that they could end up 6th overall, while bubble teams still have a reasonable shot at a top 5 pick.

 

[Dragao6]

Yeah, good job creating a hockey ghetto. With teams that can never get out of the bottom of the league because they never get high enough picks.

Good thing the league isn't completely insane and would never use such a poorly thought out system.

do a better job drafting with whatever pick you have, sign better players in UFA, trades...have management earn their pay instead of just being crap and hoping a superstar shows up in the draft!!