Proposal: SJS - PIT

[Gurglesons]

Neither Ferraro or Blackwood are “bad cap” and you thinking they are is crazy.

Ferraro is a sub 30 pt defenseman who is -30 in his last two seasons and his advanced analytics are also awful.

Not really sure why he wouldn't be considered bad cap?

Oh no what will the Sharks do without clearing Ferraro and Blackwood's cap? We'll only have $35 million in cap space instead of $40 million.

Btw thanks for the top 15 pick. Enjoy the rest of EK's decline.

i mean that's fine if you don't think the trade makes sense, just kinda confused why we are acting like Ferraro or Blackwood is going to return value?

I'm also fine with the EK trade. Thanks for the 15-16 cup and letting me see my team win a game on your home ice in the cup final

 

[Hodge]

Ferraro is a sub 30 pt defenseman who is -30 in his last two seasons and his advanced analytics are also awful.

Not really sure why he wouldn't be considered bad cap?



i mean that's fine if you don't think the trade makes sense, just kinda confused why we are acting like Ferraro or Blackwood is going to return value?

I'm also fine with the EK trade. Thanks for the 15-16 cup and letting me see my team win a game on your home ice in the cup final

Even if they're bad cap why would the Sharks take on a worse contract in Jarry? Think for a second.

 

[Gurglesons]

Even if they're bad cap why would the Sharks take on a worse contract in Jarry? Think for a second.

Because they are getting a 2nd round pick and a prospect and sending out cash.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think it's fair to crap on Ferraro in this trade. I think he's a guy who's a victim of circumstance with the team he's on, I don't know that I'd call him more than a #4 on a good team but he is a solid defenseman. Considering he's only paid $3.25 million, he's absolutely not overpaid for what he is.

I also don't think Jarry is particularly overpaid either, he's just signed for too long. He's a bit overpaid but it's probably only by about $500k a year. At $4.8 million, he'd be the 21st highest paid goalie instead of the 12th highest paid goalie at $5.3 million. You'd have a pretty weak argument to say Jarry is worse than the 21st best starting goalie in hockey.

 

[Gurglesons]

I don't think it's fair to crap on Ferraro in this trade. I think he's a guy who's a victim of circumstance with the team he's on, I don't know that I'd call him more than a #4 on a good team but he is a solid defenseman. Considering he's only paid $3.25 million, he's absolutely not overpaid for what he is.

I also don't think Jarry is particularly overpaid either, he's just signed for too long. He's a bit overpaid but it's probably only by about $500k a year. At $4.8 million, he'd be the 21st highest paid goalie instead of the 12th highest paid goalie at $5.3 million. You'd have a pretty weak argument to say Jarry is worse than the 21st best starting goalie in hockey.

You are a big Jfresh guy. This is when he was "good".

 

[Empoleon8771]

You are a big Jfresh guy. This is when he was "good".

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JFresh also has Karlsson as a 100% player on the PP. Which is pretty not believable after seeing him on the powerplay for the Penguins this year.

 

[Hodge]

Because they are getting a 2nd round pick and a prospect and sending out cash.

Damn...a whole 2nd round pick for taking on a terrible contract through 2028. Thank you for this well thought out proposal.

 

[Gurglesons]

JFresh also has Karlsson as a 100% player on the PP. Which is pretty not believable after seeing him on the powerplay for the Penguins this year.

I'm not a big Jfresh guy, you know that.

But this idea that Ferraro isn't a huge risk of a contract is really weird.

Damn...a whole 2nd round pick for taking on a terrible contract through 2028. Thank you for this well thought out proposal.

Jarry is still an NHL starter.

Cal Petersen was an AHLer and got Philly about that.

 

[Hodge]

But this idea that Ferraro isn't a huge risk of a contract is really weird.

Just stop making trade proposals if you think a $3.25Mx2 contract for a 25 year old defenseman is a "huge risk" of a contract. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Gurglesons]

Just stop making trade proposals if you think a $3.25Mx2 contract for a 25 year old defenseman is a "huge risk" of a contract. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

They are giving up a starting NHL goaltender for him who is still in prime age too.

 

[Hodge]

They are giving up a starting NHL goaltender for him who is still in prime age too.

Sure they are. Why not make a "Value of: Tristan Jarry" thread and see what kind of responses you get?

 

[weastern bias]

Without all the unnecessary hostility. . .

Jarry just doesn't make sense for the Sharks, they can't commit term to a goalie with question marks right now, they've worked hard to be out of most of their long term cap commitments and it would be a mistake to add another one before they begin to even approach a respectable level of play

Blackwood and Jarry were similar quality of players this year, but Blackwood doesn't come with the cap commitment going into the future, it's a pass from San Jose

 

[DG93]

Yeah, the value isn't quite there.

1) Blackwood rebuilt his value decently this year behind a horrendous defense and if he can keep it up next year, he's prob worth a 3rd round pick at the TDL given the expiring contract.

2) Ferraro is completely misused as a top-pairing all situations defenseman, but as a #4 guy who plays against 2nd lines and PKs, he's probably well-worth the 3.25M contract x2 years (and is still 25 year old so has potential to rebound in a better situation). I'd say that alone is worth a 2nd round pick + B prospect.

3) Jarry may have had multiple good prior seasons, but given his terrible contract, he's a cap dump. What's the price tag for dumping a contract of 5.4M x4 years? Good question, those contracts aren't moved that often.

So in summary, Broz + 2nd is probably a decent return for Ferraro + Blackwood. Then you gotta add on a major asset to take on the Jarry contract. In reality, Broz + 2025 1st is probably the return here for 2 assets sent over from SJ + dumping Jarry's contract, which the Pens wouldn't do.

 

[66-30-33]

Wait...we are adding major assets to dump Jarry now?

 

[Juxtaposer]

This offer gets a polite no thank you from SJ. That Jarry contract is gross.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

So taking on Ferraro just over 3M for 2 years is "bad cap" but Jarry for 5M for 4 years is good?

Even if you add the 2nd round pick and a meh prospect...that's a bad return for taking on Jarry's salary plus giving away a solid dman (he's overplayed on this roster and is the locker room leader).

Really no incentive at all for SJ to do this.

 

[TGWL]

You called Blackwood a "good goalie" while Jarry was a "cap dump", despite Jarry's worst season being equal to Blackwood this year (who you again called "a good goalie") and every other season of Jarry's being clearly better.

It's not "arguing semantics", it's pointing out that you made a dumb argument.

Blackwood makes 2.5 for 1 year. If Jarry was making that he'd be called a very good goalie. The cap dump term by them is directly related to the value his signed for. You're 100% right, given the choice and all being =, you'd be foolish to take Blackwood over Jarry, but that isn't the case here.

 

[joestevens29]

Didn't want to start a thread, but barring a new coach i think Pit should trade Puljujarvi to San Jose.

San Jose at least can afford to give him the playing time.

 

[Dicdonya]

Didn't want to start a thread, but barring a new coach i think Pit should trade Puljujarvi to San Jose.

San Jose at least can afford to give him the playing time.

No thanks, dude is terrible, always has been, would rather keep the roster spots open for prospects that actually have potential.

 

[Gecklund]

Didn't want to start a thread, but barring a new coach i think Pit should trade Puljujarvi to San Jose.

San Jose at least can afford to give him the playing time.

There’s no reason for them to trade for him. He’s nothing. Claim him on waivers next year if they really want him.

 

[WSS11]

No thank you. Actually, looking at Jarry’s contract, just no. You don’t even get a thank you. Gross

 

[trick9]

This doesn't really make any sense for the Sharks.

 

[SEALBound]

It's a crap for crap swap but Blackwood and Farraro do so little for the Penguins that I say no. Farraro from a couple years ago maybe but not now. The SJS wanted Jarry, they could have him for cheap but I'm not paying to get rid of him.

 

[weastern bias]

Didn't want to start a thread, but barring a new coach i think Pit should trade Puljujarvi to San Jose.

San Jose at least can afford to give him the playing time.

There’s no reason for them to trade for him. He’s nothing. Claim him on waivers next year if they really want him.

Basically this

I could imagine Puljujarvi appealing to SJS as a 0 risk reclamation project like they tried with Zadina this year, but there's no reason to spend a single asset on acquiring him

 

[Gecklund]

It's a crap for crap swap but Blackwood and Farraro do so little for the Penguins that I say no. Farraro from a couple years ago maybe but not now. The SJS wanted Jarry, they could have him for cheap but I'm not paying to get rid of him.

Ferraro is better now than a few years ago.