Value of: Shayne Gostisbehere

[Sasso09]

Trouba drives play and is excellent defensively. Gostisbehere doesn’t do either and likely ends up as a second pair PP specialist. Playing in the east and having a big point total can do wonders for perceived value but Trouba is a much better player.

Trouba Plays good defense, not excellent. Ghost absolutely drives the play much much better than Trouba. Stretching the truth and down right lying to support your opinion?

 

[Curufinwe]

Point totals aren't higher in the East.

 

[lifeisruff]

Values there. Not that I think either team does it.

Reinhart would be an upgrade offensively at 2C.

Buffalo gets their top pair LD and still have Eichel and O'Reilly down the middle.

I'm not sure Sabres fans want to bet that heavily on an out of no where offensive defensemen, less then two years after trading away Tyler Myers.

Also the point of getting another LD is having someone who can ride shotgun with Risto and match up again any line in the league. Ghost Bear didn't fit that criteria. Might as well make a UFA play for Shatenkirk.

 

[forbzee44]

That last trade won't work. Ghost and Raffl make half what Duchene does.

Duchene for Ghost + Read and a pick/prospect?

 

[Curufinwe]

Duchene makes $6m. The Flyers players going back need to make at least that much, e.g. Ghost + Schenn. But the Flyers wouldn't do that.

 

[Tripod]

I'm not sure Sabres fans want to bet that heavily on an out of no where offensive defensemen, less then two years after trading away Tyler Myers.

Also the point of getting another LD is having someone who can ride shotgun with Risto and match up again any line in the league. Ghost Bear didn't fit that criteria. Might as well make a UFA play for Shatenkirk.

Ghost didn't come out of nowhere. It's just some people cling to draft position to try and determine future development.

Award Year
All-ECAC Hockey Rookie Team 2011–12
ECAC Hockey All-Tournament Team 2012
All-ECAC Hockey Second Team 2012–13
AHCA East Second-Team All-American 2012–13
All-ECAC Hockey First Team 2013–14
AHCA East First-Team All-American 2013–14
ECAC Defensive Defensman of the Year 2013-14
WJC Team USA 2013
NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Championship 2014
NCAA All-Tournament Team 2014
ECAC Hockey All-Tournament Team 2014
NCAA All-Tournament Team 2014
NCAA Frozen Four Most Outstanding Player 2014
Barry Ashbee Trophy 2015–16
Gene Hart Memorial Award 2015–16
NHL All Rookie Team 2015–16
NHL Calder Trophy runner up 2015-16
Broke NHL records for most consecutive games with a point by a a Dman and 1st rookie with 4 OT goals
WC North America team 2016

 

[Sasso09]

Ghost didn't come out of nowhere. It's just some people cling to draft position to try and determine future development.

Award Year
All-ECAC Hockey Rookie Team 2011–12
ECAC Hockey All-Tournament Team 2012
All-ECAC Hockey Second Team 2012–13
AHCA East Second-Team All-American 2012–13
All-ECAC Hockey First Team 2013–14
AHCA East First-Team All-American 2013–14
ECAC Defensive Defensman of the Year 2013-14
WJC Team USA 2013
NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Championship 2014
NCAA All-Tournament Team 2014
ECAC Hockey All-Tournament Team 2014
NCAA All-Tournament Team 2014
NCAA Frozen Four Most Outstanding Player 2014
Barry Ashbee Trophy 2015–16
Gene Hart Memorial Award 2015–16
NHL All Rookie Team 2015–16
NHL Calder Trophy runner up 2015-16
Broke NHL records for most consecutive games with a point by a a Dman and 1st rookie with 4 OT goals
WC North America team 2016

But he was scratched

 

[jacks*]

So they're trading Rielly?

No, Leafs need Defence, not forwards. Did I not just say that?

Exactly.That's why they would be trading Rielly. Leafs need defense.

 

[lifeisruff]

Ghost didn't come out of nowhere. It's just some people cling to draft position to try and determine future development.

Award Year
All-ECAC Hockey Rookie Team 2011–12
ECAC Hockey All-Tournament Team 2012
All-ECAC Hockey Second Team 2012–13
AHCA East Second-Team All-American 2012–13
All-ECAC Hockey First Team 2013–14
AHCA East First-Team All-American 2013–14
ECAC Defensive Defensman of the Year 2013-14
WJC Team USA 2013
NCAA Division I Men's Ice Hockey Championship 2014
NCAA All-Tournament Team 2014
ECAC Hockey All-Tournament Team 2014
NCAA All-Tournament Team 2014
NCAA Frozen Four Most Outstanding Player 2014
Barry Ashbee Trophy 2015–16
Gene Hart Memorial Award 2015–16
NHL All Rookie Team 2015–16
NHL Calder Trophy runner up 2015-16
Broke NHL records for most consecutive games with a point by a a Dman and 1st rookie with 4 OT goals
WC North America team 2016

Impressive list of minor league awards/College awards, must be nice to play against second rate talent until you're 22

Meanwhile Myers won the NHL Calder trophy when he was 20.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Impressive list of minor league awards/College awards, must be nice to play against second rate talent until you're 22

Meanwhile Myers won the NHL Calder trophy when he was 20.

He was against Jimmy Howard and Matt Duschene. Ghost was up against a Top-10 scoring player (Panarin) and Yahweh (McDavid). Bit of a competition difference.

Any team would take Ghost over Myers, if that's what you're getting at...?

 

[Tripod]

Impressive list of minor league awards/College awards, must be nice to play against second rate talent until you're 22

Meanwhile Myers won the NHL Calder trophy when he was 20.

Lol...

College MVP?
NHL rookie team?
Calder runner up?
WC North America?

Obviously development is not linear. It was simply to show that Ghost did not come out of nowhere last year like some uninformed people suggest. He has been good off awhile. And if he had not lost a full year due to injury, maybe his impact would have been sooner.

But go on, sound ignorant on the topic.

 

[Paradise*]

Sure, 64 games is realtively small. But that doesn't change the fact that he was driving the play for those 64 games. Therefore, it can't be said that he doesn't drive the play. Try again.

I never said he didn't drive the play. I think he's great offensively.

 

[Larry44]

Impressive list of minor league awards/College awards, must be nice to play against second rate talent until you're 22

Meanwhile Myers won the NHL Calder trophy when he was 20.

Myers is also a huge player who e development took a winding road. Ghost is a small Dman. After his surprise inclusion on WJC team, it was clear he had a chance to be a player IF he could survive and play some D. Made sense to stay in colege and fill out. Then it turned out that not only can he play at NHL level, he can be a gamebreaker. But he is still lrearning to defend, like all young Dmen.

He's not available for trade at almost any price, so the thread is moot.

 

[Starat327]

I never said he didn't drive the play. I think he's great offensively.

Then why bother responding to a conversation that is about him being able to drive play with "small sample size"?