Shane Pinto's next contract

[SensontheRush]

He was really streaky this year. That usually counts against a player, significantly.

 

[Big Muddy]

1. Are we for sure bringing Pinto to arb?

2. His 20-goals could make that a bit scary TBH.

1. No, it's not for sure. He would have received a the qualifying offer by June 25th though. I don't think hearings start until July 20th (iirc). It may not get that far.

2. There are rules for a QO award in this situation. You can read about them in the 2nd link that was provided post #15.

 

[Cosmix]

He will be tough to keep long term, No way he wants to be a third line center with zero chance of moving up a spot for 7 years.
2.5*2

I don't see much probability that he will be anything more than a 3rd liner.

 

[Sting]

He is going to end up with a bridge deal between 2.5 and 3 million per for 2 years is my guess. Sens are going to have 0 depth this year. Really have to hope players like Pinto, Stutzle, Sanderson and Brannstrom take another big step in development. Big bounce back years from Batherson and Chabot. Have to hope that Greig, Sokolov, JBD and Jarventie are NHL players or atleast can push for NHL spots.

Therein lies the problem with poor asset management. I think in PD's mind, he knows his core is locked up and he's been more than willing to ship off picks for immediate help. Unfortunately our prospect pool is bottom 5 in the league now so our primary trade chips are picks which will only compound the problem. NJ / Carolina are good examples of how to manage assets. They're overflowing with talent and have plenty to trade.

Going back to Pinto, as I mentioned earlier he shouldn't get more than 2M.

Pinto and Sanderson's contracts going forward are going to be a challenge for the GM that inevitably takes over later this year.

 

[KevinRedkey]

I don't see much probability that he will be anything more than a 3rd liner.

How many carrer 3rd liners score 20 goals in their rookie season as a 21yr old?
I think he's going to be a 2nd line caliber player pretty soon

 

[KevinRedkey]

Therein lies the problem with poor asset management. I think in PD's mind, he knows his core is locked up and he's been more than willing to ship off picks for immediate help. Unfortunately our prospect pool is bottom 5 in the league now so our primary trade chips are picks which will only compound the problem. NJ / Carolina are good examples of how to manage assets. They're overflowing with talent and have plenty to trade.

Going back to Pinto, as I mentioned earlier he shouldn't get more than 2M.

Pinto and Sanderson's contracts going forward are going to be a challenge for the GM that inevitably takes over later this year.

I see these as our most interesting/valuable trade chips in terms of futures:
2024 1st
2024 2nd
2025 1st
2025 2nd
2026 1st
D - Filip Nordberg (64th in 2022)
RW- Tyler Boucher (10th in 2021)
C - Zack Ostapchuk (39th in 2021)
D - Benjamin Roger (49th in 2021)

I think we need to trade Chabot and DeBrincat for cheaper replacements. I've proposed Chabot for Farabee and DeBrincat for Pesce, but IDK if that's feasible for PHI in particular. I think CAR takes that deal though.

Some Flyers fans do seem to think a 1st and 2nd (maybe a tad more) is roughly what it would take to get Farabee, and I believe he's the perfect 2LW to replace DeBrincat. Cost controlled and young. But then what do we do with Chabot?

 

[Big Muddy]

How many carrer 3rd liners score 20 goals in their rookie season as a 21yr old?
I think he's going to be a 2nd line caliber player pretty soon

But, if we get back to the theme of the thread you created, the cap situation as well as "possibly" Pinto's 10.2.c. status is the environment that will have a bearing on what happens.

 

[otown]

Can't see Pinto rising above his role as a third line center. Especially on this team. Might be trade bait!

 

[BondraTime]

Can't see Pinto rising above his role as a third line center. Especially on this team. Might be trade bait!

That’s perfect, that’s exactly what we want from him.l, a great 3rd line Center.

 

[aragorn]

Can't see Pinto rising above his role as a third line center. Especially on this team. Might be trade bait!

I couldn't disagree more, IMO I think Pinto has second line potential. In his first full season with Ottawa he put up 35 pts, looked very comfortable most of the time & is a very good 2 way centre with a great shot & is also very good at faceoffs. He's got good size & reach & also has some very good offensive instincts & skill. I guess we'll see next season if he progresses forward or regresses, but I suspect he will top last season's numbers.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Also ridiculous to assume pinto won’t get opportunity to play in the top 6. Injuries happen

 

[aragorn]

Also ridiculous to assume pinto won’t get opportunity to play in the top 6. Injuries happen

Yoou know, if DBC were not to return & Batherson was comfortable being a playmaker on the left side as DBC was, a Batherson - Norris - Pinto line would be interesting & could help all three players rack up some points. Crazy I know. It would clearly leave a big hole on the 3rd line while improving the second line but it would fill all the positions.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux - one of the best top lines in the NHL
Batherson - Norris - Pinto - two good faceoff guys on either side
Smejkal- Greig - Joseph - wild car is Smejkal who has played C
Kelly - Kastelic -Sokolov - Soko might just bring this 4th line some offence

 

[Cosmix]

Yoou know, if DBC were not to return & Batherson was comfortable being a playmaker on the left side as DBC was, a Batherson - Norris - Pinto line would be interesting & could help all three players rack up some points. Crazy I know. It would clearly leave a big hole on the 3rd line while improving the second line but it would fill all the positions.

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux - one of the best top lines in the NHL
Batherson - Norris - Pinto - two good faceoff guys on either side
Smejkal- Greig - Joseph - wild car is Smejkal who has played C
Kelly - Kastelic -Sokolov - Soko might just bring this 4th line some offence

Might work.

We would be under the Cap Ceiling then.

 

[ottawah]

I couldn't disagree more, IMO I think Pinto has second line potential.

Potential or not hardly matters. Jordan Staal spent six years as a third line center because Crosby and Malkin were above him. Until Pinto proves he is betetr than Stuzle/Norris or gets traded, he's a third line center. Injuries aside of course, but thats the same for every third line center in the league.

Its the reason why Sanderson is and will remain a second pairing D man .....

 

[BondraTime]

Potential or not hardly matters. Jordan Staal spent six years as a third line center because Crosby and Malkin were above him. Until Pinto proves he is betetr than Stuzle/Norris or gets traded, he's a third line center. Injuries aside of course, but thats the same for every third line center in the league.

Its the reason why Sanderson is and will remain a second pairing D man .....

Sanderson is going to lead the Sens in icetime, he is their #1 D.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

How many carrer 3rd liners score 20 goals in their rookie season as a 21yr old?
I think he's going to be a 2nd line caliber player pretty soon

You also have to take into account that scoring has gone up for a few seasons in a row now, and Pinto spent a lot of time in the top 6 because of injuries. That will inflate his numbers a bit.

He's not a bad player by any means, but his skillset is more of an excellent 3rd liner who can fill in on 2nd for awhile and not hurt the team. Much like Pageau was for us.

 

[ottawah]

Sanderson is going to lead the Sens in icetime, he is their #1 D.

Its Chabots to lose.

 

[BondraTime]

Its Chabots to lose.

He lost it last year, along with Sanderson winning it

 

[ottawah]

He lost it last year, along with Sanderson winning it

Ice time : Chabot + 3:03
PP time : Chabot + 1:46
OZ Starts : Chabot +16%

And Sandersons numbers in these areas took a big leap with Chabots injury.

By a wide margin Chabot was the number 1 LHD last year.

 

[Micklebot]

He lost it last year, along with Sanderson winning it

Idk, it will be interesting to see what DJ does, I suspect with more viable PP options we'll see Chabots icetime reduced, but who knows, we've been saying it needs to come down for a while now.

 

[BondraTime]

Idk, it will be interesting to see what DJ does, I suspect with more viable PP options we'll see Chabots icetime reduced, but who knows, we've been saying it needs to come down for a while now.

Don’t think there is a person in the organization that doesn’t see Sanderson as the #1 D moving forward.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Its Chabots to lose.

It would be nice if Chabot could keep his #1 status. That would be good for the Senators. He's already at risk though with Sanderson nipping at his heels.

 

[ottawah]

Don’t think there is a person in the organization that doesn’t see Sanderson as the #1 D moving forward.

If thats the case then trading Chabot has to be a priority. Its hard to spend 8M on a second pairing D man.

 

[BondraTime]

If thats the case then trading Chabot has to be a priority. Its hard to spend 8M on a second pairing D man.

Labelling a guy a who will play 22/23+ minutes a night a 2nd pairing D because he’s on the 2nd pairing is idiotic, same way the Lightning view Sergachev as more than a 2nd pairing D seeing he plays 23+ minutes a night, makes 8.5, and is on their 2nd pairing.

 

[ottawah]

Labelling a guy a who will play 22/23+ minutes a night a 2nd pairing D because he’s on the 2nd pairing is idiotic, same way the Lightning view Sergachev as more than a 2nd pairingD seeing he plays 23+ minutes a night, makes 8.5, and is on their 2nd pairing.

If you want to give Sanderson top minutes, top PP time OZstarts, then it comes at the expense of someone, namely Chabot.

And Sergachev is their top RHD, its a poor example. Cernak is their number 2 at 4:30 less ice time a game. Perbix is almost 10 minuets less per game on the right hand side. They do move their RHD around situationally, but Sergachev definitely is their top RHD by a country mile.