Proposal: Senators shakeup

stempniaksen

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While the Sens need a shakeup, these are the wrong players to be pushing out. These guys are part of the solution, not the problem.

That's without even addressing that NJ and Columbus likely say no as well.
 
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Outside of that Month in december with the double MCL injury:

Meier: 0.436 goals per game, 0.873 points per game
Tkachuk: 0.457 goals per game 0.913 points per game

Yeah, that is certainly not a simon nemec+ level gap

Fair point, in a vacuum.

Reality is Meier has been pedestrian in his time with NJD, that contract likely will not age well.

Tkachuk would instantly be a core member of that team and improve their outlook to contend.

Rare player like him is a premium asset, you got to give to get. Nemec is a quality piece that has looked good so far but hardly a slam dunk in terms of projecting how he’ll turnout.
 
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Fair point, in a vacuum.

Reality is Meier has been pedestrian in his time with NJD, that contract likely will not age well.

Tkachuk would instantly be a core member of that team and improve their outlook to contend.

Rare player like him is a premium asset, you got to give to get. Nemec is a quality piece that has looked good so far but hardly a slam dunk in terms of projecting how he’ll turnout.
Yeah, you can twist this any way you like but it's a bad proposal for the Devils. And no, Meier hasn't been pedestrian in his time with the Devils, except when he's been injured.
 
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Fair point, in a vacuum.

Reality is Meier has been pedestrian in his time with NJD, that contract likely will not age well.

Tkachuk would instantly be a core member of that team and improve their outlook to contend.

Rare player like him is a premium asset, you got to give to get. Nemec is a quality piece that has looked good so far but hardly a slam dunk in terms of projecting how he’ll turnout.

?????

Guy just came out and said he had an MCL injury in the year that hampered him. He was their best player in March and ended the season on a torrid pace. He'll be fine, it's just typical outside noise after a guy gets paid. Same exact thing happened with Dougie Hamilton his first year in NJ in 21-22
 
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Here’s the thing. Brady may never become that scorer you depend on consistently, but he has that “it” too. You always lose trading those type of players.

They need to add players who play a significant role around him, while defining his role and holding him accountable to it, as well.. That will help him become a better, more consistent player. Unlike Calgary who had some vets to help Matthew’s game take that next step, Brady hasn’t had any of that yet. It’s definitely not too late though, and that better be the plan, or he’ll inevitably force his way out of town.

They’re more likely to move guys like Norris, Batherson and Chychrun, and make sure they get some of those “pro’s pros”, to litter throughout their lineup. Whether that’s in the trades for those guys, or signing those types of UFAs, and just cash in with picks and prospects for the players they move.

Detroit did it right this year. Took a lot of crap on this site about it, but hard to argue with the results, and how many of their young players grew as more complete players/prospects this year, by either surrounding them with very professional type players, and giving them very specific roles like Seider and Raymond, or didn’t rush them along in their development, like Edvinsson, Kasper, Danielson, etc. Keeping him in the AHL playing the role they intended to play him in the NHL, rather than just throwing him to the wolves, like other teams have done. So when they did finally bring him up, he’s one of the rare players, who slid right into a Top, “pair carrying”, Top 4 role, with a very professional player like Petry to play with.

They were able to do that, because they signed more role players last summer, but it’s the types they signed over two summers. The Compher, Copp, Petry, Maatta, Perron types. Those guys helped teach Seider and Raymond how to be really good “pro’s pros”, and held the young players accountable.. They even helped DeBrincat become a player who doesn’t cheat the game, like he would at times.

Players who play the game the right way, who never cheat the game, set great examples, and demand that same commitment from the young guys in the room. Look at what the result was for Raymond and Seider. They’ve now taken that next step, at such a young age.

That doesn’t happen without surrounding them with those “pro’s pros” Ottawa has talked about going after this summer.

Unfortunately Ottawa and Buffalo specifically, really did, just throw their young guys out there and said, figure it out, and let the results determine what roles they’d play, and what types of players they’re becoming. In all honesty, what the hell was Benson playing in the NHL for this season? It’s not that he couldn’t do it. It’s, what did he really get out of it, that’s gonna make him a more complete player at 21-22? Nothing.

You can’t just throw guys into the fire and hope they teach themselves how to be great NHL players. Buffalo could’ve facilitated a Benson trade to a team like Portland (like Detroit did with Danielson) to play with a coach who “further” develops high end players. They could’ve sent him there and said, all we want you working on this year is, A, B and C, and he would’ve been a much better player come next October. No, they nickel and dimed him on the roster, rather than adding a good, veteran role player to play with their other young players, and having him develop other parts of his game.

It ends up stunting the growth of really good, young players, if they’re not surrounded by guys who’ve been there, and know what it takes.

David Perron is a great example. He would be a great addition to the Sens this summer. A guy like Brayden McNabb added to their blue line would be a great add for like a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Trading for a Ryan Hartman, or even signing a Chandler Stephenson or Marchessault.

That’s the type of players they’re gonna add this summer. Or better add. They may not be as talented, personal ceiling wise next year, but they’ll be a better hockey team. Teaching their young core how to play the game, the right way, and putting them in positions to become top-end players. Brady, Stutzle, Greig, Pinto, Sanderson, all need to be given specific roles, and veterans surrounding them, who will help make them great players.

So if they trade a Norris, they may take some crap on this site for the perceived return value, but the results will be better on the ice.

Doesn’t have to be those guys I mentioned. Those are just the types DET added, rather than playing more kids in roles they weren’t ready for. It could be a combination of Ryan Hartman, Perron, and Brayden McNabb. Or how about signing Chandler Stephenson and Perron, and trading for McNabb?

They’re gonna go get a FEW “professional pros” this summer. Hell, they may only get picks and prospects for the 2-3 players they trade away, but if they do exactly this, they’re in the playoffs next year, and this time next year, we’re talking about what major steps those young guys took..

It’s time to stop letting the players determine what type of players and the roles they’re going play, or grow into playing. It’s time to have a specific role defined for each player, and put those young players in the best position to succeed.

The Sens mini revamp of their roster, should be the most entertaining to watch this summer. They’ve talked about doing just this, and after seeing what it did for Detroit’s young players this year, who by this time in the season, were the guys driving that ship, you can guarantee this is the plan.

Now they just have to choose the right vets to litter the roster with. It won’t be the Kubalik’s or Tarasenko’s of the world. They’ll have to spend, and maybe overpay a little, but get the right guys in there. More Claude’s obviously.
TLDNR

I just counted the paragraphs : 18.
 

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There will be some moves in Ottawa this summer, but you will NOT see Tkachuk, Stuzle, Sanderson, Zub, Pinto, or Grieg on the move. And not the higher first round pick.

Pretty much anyone else (on the NHL roster, not the prospects list, as weak as it is) has a price.

Any shakeup will likely mean the netminders (hell, who wants them?), Chychrun or Chabot (can't see both going), perhaps Joseph or Norris, Kastelic, Kelly, Kubalik, JBD, and Brannstrom.
 

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Fair point, in a vacuum.

Reality is Meier has been pedestrian in his time with NJD, that contract likely will not age well.

Tkachuk would instantly be a core member of that team and improve their outlook to contend.

Rare player like him is a premium asset, you got to give to get. Nemec is a quality piece that has looked good so far but hardly a slam dunk in terms of projecting how he’ll turnout.
The difference between a healthy Meier and a healthy Tkachuk over the last 3 years hasn't been particularly significant.

Nemec is a 20 year old who's already been effective in a top pairing role making 900k.
 

Wondercarrot

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No thanks. Devils aren’t the ones who need a shake up. Just better coaching, defense, and goaltending.

If you polled 1000 Sens fans, that is the exact answer you would get.
Just need better coaching, defence, and goaltending.

Also a little perspective here:
The Devils finished 1 win/3pts ahead of the “disastrous, incompetent, pathetic, trade everyone, shut down the franchise” Ottawa Senators.
 

Big Muddy

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Ottawa needs:

a) a goalie
b) a top 4 RD that has a strong defensive game.

That’s a good starting point for trade proposals with the Senators.
 

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Outside of that Month in december with the double MCL injury:

Meier: 0.436 goals per game, 0.873 points per game
Tkachuk: 0.457 goals per game 0.913 points per game

Yeah, that is certainly not a simon nemec+ level gap
Maybe not, but then you gotta look at other facts like Meier actually plays defense, Tkachuk is an actual power forward, so the gap is widened a bit more there.

Not Nemec level, but it needs something solid added in there.
 

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Maybe not, but then you gotta look at other facts like Meier actually plays defense, Tkachuk is an actual power forward, so the gap is widened a bit more there.

Not Nemec level, but it needs something solid added in there.
NJ is -26 as a team and Meier is a -28
Ottawa is a -19 as a team and Tkachuk is a +1
 

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If you polled 1000 Sens fans, that is the exact answer you would get.
Just need better coaching, defence, and goaltending.

Also a little perspective here:
The Devils finished 1 win/3pts ahead of the “disastrous, incompetent, pathetic, trade everyone, shut down the franchise” Ottawa Senators.
Sorry you got offended but the title of the thread is “Sens Shakeup”. Shake ups usually imply trading players for a change of scenery. This isn’t something needed in New Jersey. Can’t really speak for Sebs or Sens fans.
 

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Sorry you got offended but the title of the thread is “Sens Shakeup”. Shake ups usually imply trading players for a change of scenery. This isn’t something needed in New Jersey. Can’t really speak for Sebs or Sens fans.
I guess a Canucks fan would know then eh.
 

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Sorry you got offended but the title of the thread is “Sens Shakeup”. Shake ups usually imply trading players for a change of scenery. This isn’t something needed in New Jersey. Can’t really speak for Sebs or Sens fans.
Imo the Sens, Sabres, and Devils would be ideal trade partners in hopes to “shake up” all three clubs. One core guy each in three way trade. Or even two.
 

Wondercarrot

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Sorry you got offended but the title of the thread is “Sens Shakeup”. Shake ups usually imply trading players for a change of scenery. This isn’t something needed in New Jersey. Can’t really speak for Sebs or Sens fans.

Offended? Not sure what offence was taken…I was responding to one of the many Jersey fans in here who seem to heavily invested in what a canucks fans suggests needs to happen in Ottawa.

I was adding perspective to those Jersey fans, there is no more of a shakeup required in Ottawa than there is in NJ.
Goaltending, defence, and coaching need to be better. That’s it.
 
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The difference between a healthy Meier and a healthy Tkachuk over the last 3 years hasn't been particularly significant.

Nemec is a 20 year old who's already been effective in a top pairing role making 900k.
Except, Meier hasn't been healthy and Tkachuk has. Doesn't matter how you frame it, Tkachuk has miles more value than Meier who hasn't lived up to his caphit in his time with NJ.

Nemec is not effective in a top-pairing role. He's not a top-pairing dman in his short NHL career. He's been in the 2nd pairing due to injuries to other players. You exaggerate too much my friend. ;)
 

Golden_Jet

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Offended? Not sure what offence was taken…I was responding to one of the many Jersey fans in here who seem to heavily invested in what a canucks fans suggests needs to happen in Ottawa.

I was adding perspective to those Jersey fans, there is no more of a shakeup required in Ottawa than there is in NJ.
Goaltending, defence, and coaching need to be better. That’s it.
Some can’t see the forest for the trees.
 
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Sens with another disappointing season, still have many assets to rebalance their squad.

They obviously don’t need to blow it up but could benefit from a shakeup.


Thoughts?

To NJD: Tkachuk
To OTT: Meier, Nemec+

To CBJ: Norris, Chychrun
To OTT: Jenner, Johnson

That deal is so bad for Columbus. Norris is made of china and Chychrun is now a rental.
 

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Offended? Not sure what offence was taken…I was responding to one of the many Jersey fans in here who seem to heavily invested in what a canucks fans suggests needs to happen in Ottawa.

I was adding perspective to those Jersey fans, there is no more of a shakeup required in Ottawa than there is in NJ.
Goaltending, defence, and coaching need to be better. That’s it.
"No thanks. Devils aren’t the ones who need a shake up. Just better coaching, defense, and goaltending"

This is the what the poster you quoted said, doesn't seem "heavily invested in what a Canuck fans suggests needs to happen in Ottawa"

I also suggest you re-read the thread and actually look at what Devil fans are saying instead of counting all the neutral fans that didn't like the deal for the Devils as "Devil fans" I think you'll be surprised, the actual Devil fans haven't said a whole lot about what Ottawa needs to do, they've just spoken about how Meier was better when he was actually healthy and that the gap between Meier and Brady isn't a Nemec sized one.
 

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Sens with another disappointing season, still have many assets to rebalance their squad.

They obviously don’t need to blow it up but could benefit from a shakeup.


Thoughts?

To NJD: Tkachuk
To OTT: Meier, Nemec+

To CBJ: Norris, Chychrun
To OTT: Jenner, Johnson
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Sens with another disappointing season, still have many assets to rebalance their squad.

They obviously don’t need to blow it up but could benefit from a shakeup.


Thoughts?

To NJD: Tkachuk
To OTT: Meier, Nemec+

To CBJ: Norris, Chychrun
To OTT: Jenner, Johnson
Trading the best player and captain isnt the answer. They need to add a RD, some physical two way wingers and continue to build through the draft with internal development.

Id do the 2nd deal i dont think Columbus does though.
 

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