Rumor: Senators have given interested teams permission to discuss contract with Karlsson.

[CupInSIX]

Uh, don't forget that these teams all have to play a season next year. It's not like Vegas is trying to maintain the insane momentum that they built up last year...or Dallas is trying to make the playoffs while Seguin is still on that ludicrous team-friendly deal...or Tampa is trying to finally win the cup again after years of coming up just short.

Ottawa isn't in the best position but these teams are also desperate to make their teams better in a league that's never been more competitive. They'll pay what they have to pay.

I wouldn't exactly call Vegas and Tampa desperate. Tampa can make minor tweaks and Vegas can be patient enough to wait for their prospects to emerge in 2-3 years.

 

[WadeRedden]

I was pretty worried about a Dallas deal that's centred on Honka, but the more I look into it the more I'm convinced that Dallas just doesn't have the pieces necessary to make it work. If they're not even including Heisakanen then going the Vegas route is the easiest decision ever.

 

[Echo Roku]

They'll pay what they have to pay.

Which appears to be very little. Because none of them are that desperate to get him

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Uh, don't forget that these teams all have to play a season next year. It's not like Vegas is trying to maintain the insane momentum that they built up last year...or Dallas is trying to make the playoffs while Seguin is still on that ludicrous team-friendly deal...or Tampa is trying to finally win the cup again after years of coming up just short.

Ottawa isn't in the best position but these teams are also desperate to make their teams better in a league that's never been more competitive. They'll pay what they have to pay.

I wouldn't assume these teams are SO desperate. If they don't want to trade the world + pay the world for EK then they can make other moves like Faulk.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

OTT is in the worst position here. They have a 3x team market - so basically these three teams control the value, not OTT. They can ask for the world but if these 3x don't offer it then OTT is either screwed or they hold on to him.

That's true, but it depends on how badly Karlsson wants an expedited resolution to this situation. If the Senators are genuinely willing to hold on to Karlsson throughout the season because of poor offers, it creates a scenario where maybe Karlsson and his people might be more open to expanding their list of teams they'd re-sign with than they would be to staying in Ottawa for another season and putting off getting as much as 100 million in guaranteed money that is protected against an injury or the risk of another season below what has been expected of Karlsson.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

That's true, but it depends on how badly Karlsson wants an expedited resolution to this situation. If the Senators are genuinely willing to hold on to Karlsson throughout the season because of poor offers, it creates a scenario where maybe Karlsson and his people might be more open to expanding their list of teams they'd re-sign with than they would be to staying in Ottawa for another season and putting off getting as much as 100 million in guaranteed money that is protected against an injury or the risk of another season below what has been expected of Karlsson.

That makes no sense for EK. If he makes it into the season he might as well play it out and sign in 6 months in Tampa or wherever he wants. OTTs only leverage is to trade him now. Closer he gets to UFA, the more he'll wait till then.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

One consideration with the Stars, despite making major acquisitions nearly every season, they've missed the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons.

Genuine question to Stars fans and those more familiar with the organization. How desperate might Jim Nill be to save his job? Is there any potential for him to be fired if the Stars miss the playoffs for the fourth time in five seasons? If so, there's your leverage for a Karlsson trade right there. Heiskanen, draft picks, whatever, they won't be relevant to Jim Nill if he is no longer GM.

That, and Seguin's pending UFA status could create pressure to make a move like this even if it comes at the expense of a huge chunk of the Stars future.

 

[BfantZ]

No, not really. There is a very real question as to whether a team wants to sign Karlsson at 11+ . Once a team says they will then Dorion will try and extract what he can. If anything it puts more pressure on the team who will sign Karlsson to 90m contract.

So what if karlsson says “I’ve decided the only team I want to resign with right now is team x” ? How would Dorion have any other choice but to trade him to that team ? No one else is gonna offer him as much if he’s not gonna resign .

 

[danielpalfredsson]

That makes no sense for EK. If he makes it into the season he might as well play it out and sign in 6 months in Tampa or wherever he wants. OTTs only leverage is to trade him now. Closer he gets to UFA, the more he'll wait till then.

You're missing my point.

I agree, Ottawa gets the best package now.

If Erik Karlsson prefers an expedited resolution to this situation and doesn't want the circus of playing through the year in Ottawa, maybe he'd be open to expanding his list if it came down to him either adding a few teams to make a trade possible, or waiting out there year in Ottawa.

There have been reports that Ottawa sees keeping Karlsson going into the season as a viable option. Those reports might be leaks from Ottawa, and they might just be posturing in order to create more leverage for themselves, but they also might be genuine.

 

[BfantZ]

OTT is in the worst position here. They have a 3x team market - so basically these three teams control the value, not OTT. They can ask for the world but if these 3x don't offer it then OTT is either screwed or they hold on to him.

Exactly and this is why Ottawa fans are gonna be disappointed with the return .

 

[Pi]

Sens, you owe the Leafs a favour. We traded you our great captain for cap dumps. It’s time we get your captain for cap dumps.

Please?

 

[trueseraphim]

If Ottawa could keep Karlsson at 8x11 they would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[ThreeOfAPerfectPair]

Sounds like Ottawa is going to get a very underwhelming return. Too bad.

 

[HockeyFan247365]

Is it possible that Erik Karlsson has an offer in place by a team and we're not hearing about it until Ottawa trades him?

 

[Sensung]

So what if karlsson says “I’ve decided the only team I want to resign with right now is team x” ? How would Dorion have any other choice but to trade him to that team ? No one else is gonna offer him as much if he’s not gonna resign .

Actually they could trade him to any other team not on his no trade list right up to the TDL. The team would know he was a rental and pay accordingly.

I'm sure some of the 20 other teams will be playoff contenders and willing to pay a good deal to add EK for a cup run.

And what kind of message would the team willing to spend 90M on EK be sending to Erik if they weren't willing to cough up some assets to make the deal. Wouldn't count on EK signing there after that kind of slap in the face.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

If this is true then holy hell - Vegas can have him.

I don't understand why Vegas would do this though....they are a second year expansion team. Why give up so much of your foundation?

 

[Langdon Alger]

If this is true then holy hell - Vegas can have him.

I don't understand why Vegas would do this though....they are a second year expansion team. Why give up so much of your foundation?

Not sure that’s a legit source.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

If this is true then holy hell - Vegas can have him.

I don't understand why Vegas would do this though....they are a second year expansion team. Why give up so much of your foundation?

Agreed. If real I think they should take this, perhaps unless they could leverage it for Heiskanen.

 

[hairylikebear]

From Dallas that equates to Honka, Faksa, Robertson/Dellandrea, '19 1st, '19 2nd but the Stars don't want Ryan

You would have to think +Heiskanen -Ryan and some pieces is the only way Dallas can beat that offer. Of course, that's assuming that even is a legit offer.

 

[robertocarlos]

So what if karlsson says “I’ve decided the only team I want to resign with right now is team x” ? How would Dorion have any other choice but to trade him to that team ? No one else is gonna offer him as much if he’s not gonna resign .

Why can't he be a one year rental?

 

[Hale The Villain]

If this is true then holy hell - Vegas can have him.

I don't understand why Vegas would do this though....they are a second year expansion team. Why give up so much of your foundation?

Because they'd be getting arguably the best D in the league for the next 8YRs and came close to winning the cup this year.

No idea if that offer is legit or not, but I think GMGM realizes that his team is likely going to take a major step back this year. Acquiring EK+Ryan may be able to keep them afloat as a contender for the next couple years at least.

 

[blinkman360]

If this is true then holy hell - Vegas can have him.

I don't understand why Vegas would do this though....they are a second year expansion team. Why give up so much of your foundation?

I agree. You're placing a big bet on last year not being a fluke. If that's the price tag I think I would just keep my assets and continue to build up the core of that team.

 

[Avs44]

Come on guys, rumor break?

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

If this is true then holy hell - Vegas can have him.

I don't understand why Vegas would do this though....they are a second year expansion team. Why give up so much of your foundation?

Not trying to be a total nerdo but shouldn’t we start banning posting this Twitter and start removing posts from it since it’s just total garbage and all made up?

 

[KPower]

Rumorbreak must be Dorion's burner account.