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Henkka
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New updated player card.
Wonder how that OFFENCE is so bad, if guy is scoring point per game.
But of course, these cards are 3-year averages, weighing more the season going on and last season, which wasn't so good.
Don't like that PK number.
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Pavels Dog
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Those cards never seem to really adjust properly for that ”competition” stat. 100% is brutal.
It is Ev offence, where EV = even strength, Most of Seider's points come from the PP.
Also, I would guess that those EV Offence and Defence numbers are based on expected goals for and against. More than points / goals for.
sepster
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At least he does one thing well that will keep in the league for a bit. Zadina will be in Europe within a year.
Pavels Dog
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Yes but only for a nice summer vacation before he returns to the NHL and fills the net with the pucks
OgeeOgelthorpe
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his xGF and on ice GF aren't great. I don't know how the PP% is so low when he's produced well on it. And last season was 8 fewer points than his rookie season in 10 TOTAL minutes more for the season. Also shot attempts are way down.
There's gotta be something off in that formula.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Looking at the Walman-Seider pairing, they're 7th in the league in icetime together.
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30 Ozone faceoffs, 40 neutral zone, 40 defensive zone. Then 41.18 offensive zone starts. He's being deployed in a shutdown role and easily facing the strongest competition of anyone on Detroit. Walman also isn't having as strong a season as last year but is still doing better than DeKeyser and Chiarot with him.
I think one of the keys to unlocking the most from Seider is Detroit having a better 2nd pair. Gostisbehere has been terrific offensively but only OK defensively. Chiarot-Holl has actually looked alright lately as the 3rd pair while Maatta and Petry have kind of stunk up the joint. So we're probably one Edvinsson away from Mo having an easier lift.
Defensive Pairs - Natural Stat Trick
30 Ozone faceoffs, 40 neutral zone, 40 defensive zone. Then 41.18 offensive zone starts. He's being deployed in a shutdown role and easily facing the strongest competition of anyone on Detroit. Walman also isn't having as strong a season as last year but is still doing better than DeKeyser and Chiarot with him.
I think one of the keys to unlocking the most from Seider is Detroit having a better 2nd pair. Gostisbehere has been terrific offensively but only OK defensively. Chiarot-Holl has actually looked alright lately as the 3rd pair while Maatta and Petry have kind of stunk up the joint. So we're probably one Edvinsson away from Mo having an easier lift.
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Tied for league lead with 10. Is Seider about to have a monster year and cash In big-time? Can he keep pace and garner some Norris votes this year?
Gniwder
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He's guaranteed votes if he goes 1PPG, but it's way too early to extrapolate.
Also, Fox has 11 in 9 games and Makar has 9 in 8 games. All else being equal, goals count more than assists in Norris voting. +/1 factors in as well because it's "supposed to" be a defensive award.
Henkka
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Fox has insane advanced stats, gonna get hype from there.
But I just did bet Makar for Norris. Also small bet for Fox as a plan B, if Makar has an injury.
But I just did bet Makar for Norris. Also small bet for Fox as a plan B, if Makar has an injury.
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Mo is just trying to do too much. He needs to learn when to be physical, when to jump up and when to stay home.
He's trying to be a PP quarterback, an elite defensive defenseman and a tough guy. But, very few can do all of that and they're all either going to the Hall of Fame or they're already in it.
He's still only 22 ... and he's going to be absolutely elite in some fashion, but he's trying to carry too much of the load right now. He needs to calm down strangely enough.
He's trying to be a PP quarterback, an elite defensive defenseman and a tough guy. But, very few can do all of that and they're all either going to the Hall of Fame or they're already in it.
He's still only 22 ... and he's going to be absolutely elite in some fashion, but he's trying to carry too much of the load right now. He needs to calm down strangely enough.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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He also just played a western canada road trip. Edmonton, Calgary, Seattle, Winnipeg. The only game that was a challenge was Vancouver. The western conference is not looking good at all right now.
Gniwder
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The Wings went 1-1-1 against 3 of those teams at home, including a 4-1 loss to Winnipeg.
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It's early, but he's pacing to put up 82 points. And go -8. 
So I'm sure there will be some ups and downs. The point production is the biggest surprise if you remember people were saying he had limited offensive skills when he was drafted. That looks really foolish right now. I'd be fine with him toning down the physical play, but it's part of his identity so hopefully he can pick his spots.
Not much to complain about right now and when we have Edivinsson, Wallinder and Sandin-Pelikka in the lineup we are going to be straight up naaastayyy.
So I'm sure there will be some ups and downs. The point production is the biggest surprise if you remember people were saying he had limited offensive skills when he was drafted. That looks really foolish right now. I'd be fine with him toning down the physical play, but it's part of his identity so hopefully he can pick his spots.Not much to complain about right now and when we have Edivinsson, Wallinder and Sandin-Pelikka in the lineup we are going to be straight up naaastayyy.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Great. The wings had a cold streak as another team had a hot streak. The Rangers also lost to Nashville and Columbus. What do you extrapolate from that?
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It's early, but he's pacing to put up 82 points. And go -8.
Not much to complain about right now and when we have Edivinsson, Wallinder and Sandin-Pelikka in the lineup we are going to be straight up naaastayyy.
I mean even as a rookie he put up 50 points on a team where nobody even had 70 so it's looked foolish for a long time at this point
Run the Jewels
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True, but right now he's pacing to be a PPG d-man. That is absurd given projections from when he was drafted. He's going to get big minutes and he's going to play with our best forwards, time will tell whether he can consistently put up points. That assist on Compher's goal last night was something you'd expect from Victor Hedman.
Gniwder
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It tells me that you play the Wings to break a cold streak? Nothing like playing a shitty D to gain offensive "confidence", lol.
It's early season, some teams start out slow which is the norm. The Wings are an anomaly with their hot start every season even when they suck.
Flames are a dumpster fire (or dumpster flame), Oilers and Kraken will find their grooves sooner or later, and the Jets are mediocre as usual.
I doubt you see other teams leave a forward uncovered like that too often, but that was a thing of beauty for sure, The other forwards need to learn how to find open ice like that.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Henkka
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Kind of same overall number, as JFresh is currently giving.
Even though scoring point/game, there's some other stats drawing the overall number down. ARhockeyStats will give some stats to be looked for free, but they will hide those TRANSITION-stats behind a paywall.
Those transition stats are what really makes a defenceman value.
I could believe Seider has very high transition values, because that's his biggest strength and that average is still high, including the low defensive numbers. And also that defensive difficulty is hidden number.... we know that's high number.
Even though scoring point/game, there's some other stats drawing the overall number down. ARhockeyStats will give some stats to be looked for free, but they will hide those TRANSITION-stats behind a paywall.
Those transition stats are what really makes a defenceman value.
I could believe Seider has very high transition values, because that's his biggest strength and that average is still high, including the low defensive numbers. And also that defensive difficulty is hidden number.... we know that's high number.
Frk It
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He is such a good player, I am so happy we have him. A bit surprised we are not leaning on him more though given his age/talent? I envisioned him being like a 25+ min a night guy in his prime, and right now he is playing 22:54, which is 43rd in the league.
OgeeOgelthorpe
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Like you said, it's early, some fans aren't used to how variance works with larger sample sizes.
