Player Discussion Sean Monahan

[The Great Weal]

Now would be a good time to trade him (before he gets injured).

If there was a worthwhile offer he'd be gone already and we can't just scratch him for 14 straight games before the deadline.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Why is the price set at a 1st minimum? The Lindholm return was a 1st+Prospect+4th. Kuzmenko, while there is potential, is a cap dump. Players with his cap hit, term, and production arent positive assets in the NHL anymore. They get dealt away to make cap work or given to bottom feeders for free.

Monahan *MIGHT* get a 1st, especially if MTL takes a bad contract back. I think a 2nd is more likely though unless a team strikes out and just needs someone.

Please explain why Kuzmenko is a cap dump - the guy scored 39 last year and wasn’t used the same way this year. He’s a major piece for Calgary.

Top 6 players at 5.5M are not cap dumps.

 

[eklund the clown]

agreed... be smart Kent

Agreed.Sit him till he's traded.We have nothing to gain and everything to lose.We have been down this road before and guys got hurt and we got nothing back.

 

[sampollock]

I know your posting style buddy, I appreciate it and you crack me up a lot too. Say whatever you want. Who cares if I’m having a hissy fit!

Also, it does not take much for this board to light up.

you better believe it, love the comments on here

bottom line I covet a top prospect... bad
keep me honest!!! LOL

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Please explain why Kuzmenko is a cap dump - the guy scored 39 last year and wasn’t used the same way this year. He’s a major piece for Calgary.

Top 6 players at 5.5M are not cap dumps.

Is he a top 6 player? Apparently he does not play a 2 way game. He might be another slightly better Hoffman.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Is he a top 6 player? Apparently he does not play a 2 way game. He might be another slightly better Hoffman.

I forgot every team needed Selke winners at every position.

Does Quinn Hughes block shots? No? Gotta get rid of him then.

 

[Runner77]

you better believe it, love the comments on here

bottom line I covet a top prospect... bad
keep me honest!!! LOL

Much better to land that top offensive forward prospect than a late first rounder — add to Monahan as necessary but cater to that need.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I forgot every team needed Selke winners at every position.

Does Quinn Hughes block shots? No? Gotta get rid of him then.

Blocking shots has nothing to do with anything. Doing nothing in the defensive zone or never going in the defensive zone is a red flag. Don't know if it's true but they wanted to get rid of him.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Indeed it's rare...

It did happen with us not that long ago, and not to any success (Plekanec). I'm too lazy to dig around for the other cases, but it's not as far fetched as you suggest imo.

I think if management truly covets the player they have to lock him up. They can’t let him go with a non binding verbal agreement. He leaves and loves his new team and you make him think about other options. It’s not worth the risk if you believe in the player for a late first.

If injuries are a concern a playoff grind for another team is not a great option either. More rest to make sure these issues are fully behind him are exactly what the doctor ordered imo.

 

[The Great Weal]

I think if management truly covets the player they have to lock him up. They can’t let him go with a non binding verbal agreement. He leaves and loves his new team and you make him think about other options. It’s not worth the risk if you believe in the player for a late first.

If injuries are a concern a playoff grind for another team is not a great option either. More rest to make sure these issues are fully behind him are exactly what the doctor ordered imo.

If he doesn't come back then so be it, a longterm contract will age like milk

 

[Tyson]

I know the logical thing to do is to trade him for a King's ransom but the value he brings with helping our young players cannot be ignored. I am good either way, take him or extend him.

 

[Canadienna]

The "Sit Monahan until the deadline" argument is flawed.

So they sit Monahan (~3rd best player, annoying the players on the team).

31 other GMs see that, and think "Gee, I wonder why they are sitting this guy two months from the trade deadline? They must be pretty concerned about the likelihood of injury to cripple their team that much. Let's wait a bit and see who's available in March."

Then what? You just wait, for weeks and months waiting to see if a GM calls you on Monahan? What happens to his value as he sits out?

Yeah, Monahan is an injury risk, and yeah in a perfect world they'd move him early to reduce the risk, but they need a good offer to make a trade. It takes two to tango.

 

[Miller Time]

I think if management truly covets the player they have to lock him up. They can’t let him go with a non binding verbal agreement. He leaves and loves his new team and you make him think about other options. It’s not worth the risk if you believe in the player for a late first.

If injuries are a concern a playoff grind for another team is not a great option either. More rest to make sure these issues are fully behind him are exactly what the doctor ordered imo.

Ultimately he's not irreplaceable, and as it is we do have 4 NHL caliber Cs signed heading into next season, so imo if there is a good offer on the table and he's keen on the playoff shot, it's a no-brainer to pull the trigger. If he's indicating he far prefers staying without the playoff taste, then I'd be fine with the extension instead.

Does he have kids? I'd imagine that if so, the extension right now might be preferable. If not, I think the trade and re-sign in the summer remains the best case scenario if not sides are open/favorable to it

 

[cave troll]

Proven top 6-9 who can play all positions is 56% on faceoffs, plays both special teams and has about 1M in salary to absorb?

Come on... The debate on whether or not he can fetch alot at the deadline is ridiculous.

Thing is, who is willing to take a big risk with a player who can go on LTIR the moment he steps out of the plane? We already got a 1st for him, and we were rewarded by having him capable of being healthy til all star break. Lets' hope he can fetch 2nd + prospect. 1st will be like winning a lottery.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Thing is, who is willing to take a big risk with a player who can go on LTIR the moment he steps out of the plane? We already got a 1st for him, and we were rewarded by having him capable of being healthy til all star break. Lets' hope he can fetch 2nd + prospect. 1st will be like winning a lottery.

Scarcity determines value. Only 1 centre left. Multiple bidders. Someone will have to pay up.

 

[LesCanadiens]

Scarcity determines value. Only 1 centre left. Multiple bidders. Someone will have to pay up.

And injury thing is a bit overblown. Especially in terms of a playoff rental. Monahan at this point doesn't have a inordinate risk to be injured than just about any other player around his age. IMO of course.

 

[tnq]

If i was Ken Hughes, i won't trade Monahen with retain, i keep it for Allen trade

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

They don't sit him and he gets hurt
Kent should be held accountable

Even if that’s the case, we already got a first… for taking him.

 

[Pat Riot]

If i was Ken Hughes, i won't trade Monahen with retain, i keep it for Allen trade

I think Monahan would cost 500k on the cap at the deadline. We dont need to retain on such a cheap contract

I know the logical thing to do is to trade him for a King's ransom but the value he brings with helping our young players cannot be ignored. I am good either way, take him or extend him.

He will be looking for atleast a 5 years deal. Personally Im not ready to sign him that long. To trade him is the best avenue for our team

 

[salbutera]

 

[Shutdown]

weren't there reports of a handshake deal to trade him to a contender? i would think that would indicate he doesn't want to be here long term. get as much as you can out of him before the deadline and move on.

sure he'd be a good stopgap while the top 9 solidifies itself over the next 1 to 2 years - namely while Dach proves he can be the guy for a full, injury-free season and Owen Beck hopefully becomes a producing 3rd line center - but Monahan is going to want a 3 or 4 year deal and i just can't see that aging in the Habs' favour.

 

[Habs Icing]

We are getting at least a 1st at this point, and then we are re-signing him in the off-season to another 1 year deal and turning him into a 1st at the 2025 deadline. 3 1st's for Monahan in total.

How wrong can you be? We can do that for the next 3-4-5 years. So it's not 3 1st but as many as 6.

Just let's think about trading him for this year before the screws start to fall out.

 

[Toene]

Proven top 6-9 who can play all positions is 56% on faceoffs, plays both special teams and has about 1M in salary to absorb?

Come on... The debate on whether or not he can fetch alot at the deadline is ridiculous.

Our fanbase has the fascinating ability to both vastly underrate and grossly overrate Habs players' value. We're an intense bunch.

I agree with you about Monahan's value. We won't get the Lindholm return, of course, but the ballpark for me is at least a 1st and small plus, or a prospect selected in the 1st round recently and his trending well.

Let HuGo cook.

 

[admiralcadillac]

weren't there reports of a handshake deal to trade him to a contender? i would think that would indicate he doesn't want to be here long term. get as much as you can out of him before the deadline and move on.

sure he'd be a good stopgap while the top 9 solidifies itself over the next 1 to 2 years - namely while Dach proves he can be the guy for a full, injury-free season and Owen Beck hopefully becomes a producing 3rd line center - but Monahan is going to want a 3 or 4 year deal and i just can't see that aging in the Habs' favour.

If he wins a cup he may be incentivized to come
back here, if he gets a taste of that sweet sweet stanley, he may just come back here

 

[BehindTheTimes]

If he doesn't come back then so be it, a longterm contract will age like milk

No one is asking for an 8 year deal here.