Speculation: Scott Burnside: Kuemper to Colorado

[Boondock]

For overall cap reasons if Keumper didn’t get claimed in the ED then the Avs would have his $4.5 on the books if they want to bring back Grub. Puts them in a weaker position to try to move Kuemper in the off season.
Who is a ufa goalie on a team that will miss the playoffs? Rinne from Nash?

Rinne has a NMC - this was a sticking point in his last contract. I don't think he wants to leave Nashville. There are lots of other UFA to be goalies but I don't see Rinne leaving.

 

[treple13]

This is an absolutely horrible article. The Gaudreau to Toronto deal in the article would be instantly locked if made on this site. It's embarrassing.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Kuemper has another year left at $4.5 million. Teams are having difficulty with a flat cap and also paying out real dollars with the pandemic. Not to mention that Kuemper has been injury prone as of late and the last I heard he would be out with an injury for several more weeks. It is likely a limited market for him.

I am not sure that Colorado would be interested however. Colorado has no second round pick this year or next and Grubauer is the undisputed No. 1 for Colorado. If anything, Colorado likely looks at merely someone that is a true backup.

Burnside is being lazy with some of his speculation.

4.5 for a starting goal is pretty cheap.

Kuemper is easily > Grubauer..... so I hope you are right and COL doesn't trade for him.

 

[Patagonia]

4.5 for a starting goal is pretty cheap.

Kuemper is easily > Grubauer..... so I hope you are right and COL doesn't trade for him.

Cheap if healthy...means nothing regardless of the salary.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

4.5M backup who has issues staying healthy, no thanks

Kuemper wouldn't replace Grubauer as the #1 and it would be a mistake to let Grubauer walk this summer

 

[John Mandalorian]

Grubauer is capable but the more he plays, the drop off becomes significant. And with the problems Miska has had, it's been imperative that Grubauer play as much as possible.

I'm worried that the longer they wait to make a move, the better the goalie will need to be.

 

[SniperHF]

Wouldn’t the Coyotes fetch more? Or am I wrong? Especially at the fact that I wouldn’t want to be doing my division rivals a favor.

Given how many minor injuries he's been racking up these season, probably not.

 

[rt]

Nothing from this article falls under speculation IMO, there are no rumors or anything here it's just Burnside dreaming up some trades.

That's what speculation is. The other tag is rumor. This isn't a rumor. It's speculation.

 

[kilowatt]

So, in this hypothetical, Carolina is passing on a price like this for Kuemper to instead take on Quick’s contract. Burnside must be an Avs fan.

Kings can't trade Quick anyway, otherwise they'd have to expose Petersen.

 

[Goulet17]

4.5 for a starting goal is pretty cheap.

Kuemper is easily > Grubauer..... so I hope you are right and COL doesn't trade for him.

Based on Grubauer's play this season, I would disagree with Kuemper easily being better than Grubauer. Kuemper's injury woes are nothing to scoff at either. I fully expect that Colorado will attempt to re-sign Grubauer and Francouz is still on the books for next season as well. It just doesn't work.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Sideburns also said Gaudeau at 50% for Kerfoot, Liljegren, and a conditional 1st was a fair trade. Pure delusion

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I have proposed Francouz and a 2nd for Kuemper so many times on here I need it to happen lol.

 

[XX]

Avs don't have a 2nd in the next two drafts.

Barron + Fancouz would be interesting.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Avs don't have a 2nd in the next two drafts.

Barron + Fancouz would be interesting.

No, it certainly would not


How is Barron comparable to a ~60th pick

 

[XX]

How is Barron comparable to a ~60th pick

Because the original proposal isn't fair value for a great starter on a reasonable contract.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Well, technically Francouz hasn't dont anything, for anyone lately. Both goalies are bandaids though. Kuemper is out for the next few weeks as it is.


If Kuemper was healthy I'd have no issues with this deal. But, he's not. Meaning the Avs give up a 2nd to get a guy just as health risky and Frankie and IMO not even better.

This is QUITE the opinion....

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Because the original proposal isn't fair value for a great starter on a reasonable contract.

Who can't stay healthy.


You aren't getting a 1st round pick caliber asset for an injured goalie

 

[rt]

What’s the next asset down from Barron? Helleson?

 

[Muffin]

What’s the next asset down from Barron? Helleson?

Timmins.

 

[Mosby]

Perhaps not.

 

[rt]

So, in this hypothetical, Carolina is passing on a price like this for Kuemper to instead take on Quick’s contract. Burnside must be an Avs fan.

Would you do Honka and Drury for Kuemper?

 

[Richard88]

Kuemper has another year left at $4.5 million. Teams are having difficulty with a flat cap and also paying out real dollars with the pandemic. Not to mention that Kuemper has been injury prone as of late and the last I heard he would be out with an injury for several more weeks. It is likely a limited market for him.

I am not sure that Colorado would be interested however. Colorado has no second round pick this year or next and Grubauer is the undisputed No. 1 for Colorado. If anything, Colorado likely looks at merely someone that is a true backup.

Burnside is being lazy with some of his speculation.

If Arizona can retain close to 50% to get Kuemper's caphit down they might find that the market for him opens up and they'd likely be able to get a 1st for him then too.

At $2.25m x 2 he'd be considerably more interesting for Colorado, as that would mean that they could keep Kuemper as backup next season while still resigning Grubauer. They'd have to protect Kuemper though and roll the dice on Grubauer resigning on July 1st though, and that's a pretty big risk unless they have a handshake deal with Grubauer.

Something like Kuemper (50% retained) for Francouz + 1st could be a base, perhaps with Arizona throwing back a mid-round pick or prospect. That said, I'm not sure Sakic would want to part ways with a 1st for what would be a backup goalie though, especially given that he'd have to expose Grubauer in the ExD.

 

[rt]

How about Raanta for Helleson instead?

 

[Richard88]

4.5 for a starting goal is pretty cheap.

Kuemper is easily > Grubauer..... so I hope you are right and COL doesn't trade for him.

Grubauer is a top 5 goalie this year in every statistical category (min. 400 minutes played). Kuemper is not even top 15 in most categories, and also has recurring injury issues.

Grubauer:

• 0.925 sv% - 5th
• 1.82 GAA - 1st
• 10.86 GSAA - 3rd
• 0.862 HDSV% - 4th

Kuemper:

• 0.914 sv% - 18th
• 2.41 GAA - 13th
• 3.55 GSAA - 17th
• 0.787 HDSV% - 29th

 

[Richard88]

How about Raanta for Helleson instead?

No thanks. Helleson is looking great in BC and is our direct replacement for Johnson in 2 years time.

If Avs are moving a RHD prospect it's most likely to be Timmins, for the simple fact that his ELC ends this year, meaning that Barron and Helleson's timelines suit the cap structure better in the next few years. Barron and Helleson are also much better skaters which suits the Avs style better.