Speculation: Sam Reinhart - Next contract discussion

[I am not exposed]

Didn’t he also start pretty slow last season as well?

Yes he did.

 

[KW]

Yes he did.

He makes 65% of Barkov money, but you give him a 100% pass versus 0% pass for Barkov… just saying, I sense a bias.

 

[I am not exposed]

He makes 65% of Barkov money, but you give him a 100% pass versus 0% pass for Barkov… just saying, I sense a bias.

In another thread I just said he has been worse than Barkov this season.

 

[KW]

In another thread I just said he has been worse than Barkov this season.

So … you are agreeing with me

 

[I am not exposed]

So … you are agreeing with me

Nope. Not giving Reinhart a pass. He's been bad this season so far.

I also said Barkov generally starts slow and he's far too talented a hockey player to be kept quiet for long.

 

[I am not exposed]

This slow start becoming a problem. Don't know what is wrong with him. At least the contract won't be too outrageous at this rate!

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Figure this could use a bump?

Definitely a big topic of conversation this offseason, whether to extend or possibly trade.
He's definitely turned it on since the first 15 games or so.

Has anyone changed their mind or do you have similar thoughts from earlier in the year?

 

[Mogo]

If we can get value for him. Trade him

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

I think you try to extend him if the price is reasonable, and if not, well,

I'll say this: I don't think it's possible -- not in a thousand years -- that he again flubs as many prime scoring chances / open net opportunities as he has this year. It's been kind of surreal, honestly.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

I think you try to extend him if the price is reasonable, and if not, well,

I'll say this: I don't think it's possible -- not in a thousand years -- that he again flubs as many prime scoring chances / open net opportunities as he has this year. It's been kind of surreal, honestly.

The flubs man. They are so bad that I just want him gone. A guy that “unlucky” just needs to go, unless he wants to be paid like a guy who flubs, then sure, stick around. But I’m ready to move on if he wants more than $4.

 

[Gentle Man]

On what planet does a guy re-up his contract at 4M (2.5M less!!!!!) after putting up consecutive 65+ point seasons at the age of 27.

 

[austropanther]

Guy is underrated. Just because he misses several great chances makes people overlook his other qualities: Good one the boards, smart player, backchecks well, can play with anybody, good puckhandler in D-zone and entering the O-zone and even was our best FO guy over the last games.

I also was at a point when I was fed up with him missing grade A chances. But we will miss this guy so much when he is gone...

 

[KW]

Guy is underrated. Just because he misses several great chances makes people overlook his other qualities: Good one the boards, smart player, backchecks well, can play with anybody, good puckhandler in D-zone and entering the O-zone and even was our best FO guy over the last games.

I also was at a point when I was fed up with him missing grade A chances. But we will miss this guy so much when he is gone...

Plus he has a killer tick that probably allows him to win 90% of his faceoffs

 

[Cats2TheCup]

That’s the thing. In my opinion, aside from his success last season, I haven’t seen him click with anyone on this team. Sure, he goes up and down the lineup. He gets chances with them, but doesn’t bury them, sure. Shoots every line he’s on in the foot. He feels like a filler on every line he’s on. He’s not doing anything for me this season. I think he can be replaced and improved. For 7+ give me a game breaker, not a face off guy/ line filler that flubs for an entire season.

 

[Felidae]

I wouldnt be opposed to trading him, but it better be a damn good deal.

I'll say what I said in a previous GDT.

Sam Reinhart imo is the type of player to age well because of his reliance on smarts rather than physical tools. Unlike Duclair, Bennett and Verhaege. Not saying they are dumb players, but it's not their greatest assets either like it is for reinhart, and they have some clear physical tools that Reinhart lacks.

Yet despite this, career wise he's still the most productive player on the team excluding Barkov and Tkachuk. I think he'll age better than them.

He's paced for at least 60 points since 2018-19

To compare to our other top 6 forwards, Bennett's highest pace in his career doesn't top any season Reinhart has had since 2018.

Duclair has only ever paced for 60 points twice in his career.

Verhaege is the only one that matches Reinhart's production, but Reinhart has been doing it for longer.

Let's not forget he was doing this on a Sabres team with far less offensive help. Right now, he's been our most snakebitten player and he's still our 4th most productive forward.

While I'm not sure he'll match his PPG season from last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him produce more than he has now in the upcoming years (if we were to keep him)

Lastly. Stylistically, he's the only player other than Tkachuk that's productive as a net front presence with his deflections and tips. We need more of that given we have one of the more offensively talented dcore in the league in terms of goals scored and shots taken.

 

[KW]

I wouldnt be opposed to trading him, but it better be a damn good deal.

I'll say what I said in a previous GDT.

Sam Reinhart imo is the type of player to age well because of his reliance on smarts rather than physical tools. Unlike Duclair, Bennett and Verhaege. Not saying they are dumb players, but it's not their greatest assets either like it is for reinhart, and they have some clear physical tools that Reinhart lacks.

Yet despite this, career wise he's still the most productive player on the team excluding Barkov and Tkachuk. I think he'll age better than them.

He's paced for at least 60 points since 2018-19

To compare to our other top 6 forwards, Bennett's highest pace in his career doesn't top any season Reinhart has had since 2018.

Duclair has only ever paced for 60 points twice in his career.

Verhaege is the only one that matches Reinhart's production, but Reinhart has been doing it for longer.

Let's not forget he was doing this on a Sabres team with far less offensive help. Right now, he's been our most snakebitten player and he's still our 4th most productive forward.

While I'm not sure he'll match his PPG season from last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see him produce more than he has now in the upcoming years (if we were to keep him)

Lastly. Stylistically, he's the only player other than Tkachuk that's productive as a net front presence with his deflections and tips. We need more of that given we have one of the more offensively talented dcore in the league in terms of goals scored and shots taken.

Agreed… He’s the one who got us into OT against TOR (before the absolute bum Barkov got miraculously lucky with a pass to total superstar Monty).

 

[Egblad]

Always been a fan of Reinhart and have consistently been against trading him. Frustrating season for him, but who would we replace him with if traded for D? We think the offense is rough with him.

 

[pantherbot]

He's scoring 30 goals with a 15% shooting percentage in a season even he supposedly is flubbing all good chances....? I think it only looks like that because he gets so many good opportunities.

 

[Felidae]

He's scoring 30 goals with a 15% shooting percentage in a season even he supposedly is flubbing all good chances....? I think it only looks like that because he gets so many good opportunities.

That's true. (Although I see 13% on hockey ref)

Surprisingly though, his 13.6% shooting percentage this year is still the lowest it's been since 2018 where he's been above a 15% shooting percentage until now

It's frustrating to watch, but the fact he gets as many chances as he does is a good thing even if he doesn't usually put them in.

 

[Panthers Propaganda]

That’s the thing. In my opinion, aside from his success last season, I haven’t seen him click with anyone on this team. Sure, he goes up and down the lineup. He gets chances with them, but doesn’t bury them, sure. Shoots every line he’s on in the foot. He feels like a filler on every line he’s on. He’s not doing anything for me this season. I think he can be replaced and improved. For 7+ give me a game breaker, not a face off guy/ line filler that flubs for an entire season.

And yet he is still probably going to pot 30 goals. 30g scorers don’t grow on trees. I say sign him if it’s reasonable.

 

[Ghoste]

Agreed that Reino is frustrating when he doesn’t score on prime opps. But he works hard. Duke will probably be the one moving on, he just doesn’t fit PM’s style of play well.

-ghoste

 

[WaitingForThatCab]

He's scoring 30 goals with a 15% shooting percentage in a season even he supposedly is flubbing all good chances....? I think it only looks like that because he gets so many good opportunities.

He's the guy who gets handed all of the layups on the power play. He should probably have 40 goals, or close to it.

Again, I don't think he's ever going to have luck this bad over a full season again, but it's super frustrating.

 

[Gentle Man]

Lundell struggling and Rein having to leap around lines and center doesn't do him any favors. I get the PP misses but he still is close to 30 which is really good for his salary.

We were happy with Hoffman's scoring and hated everything else because he was a Hoffboy.

Reino scores slightly less (5 to 6 less) but actually closes games for defensive purposes and fights along the boards.

Why would we get rid of him?

Duclair has blown for 2 playoff trips now, had an absurd 18% shooting percentage last season that it could be called the aberration.


I would keep Reino at 7-7.5 over Duke at 3 all day everyday.

That being said, I'll absolutely chirp him endless for missing an empty net from 1 inch out

 

[BabyBennettov]

Lundell struggling and Rein having to leap around lines and center doesn't do him any favors. I get the PP misses but he still is close to 30 which is really good for his salary.

We were happy with Hoffman's scoring and hated everything else because he was a Hoffboy.

Reino scores slightly less (5 to 6 less) but actually closes games for defensive purposes and fights along the boards.

Why would we get rid of him?

Duclair has blown for 2 playoff trips now, had an absurd 18% shooting percentage last season that it could be called the aberration.


I would keep Reino at 7-7.5 over Duke at 3 all day everyday.

That being said, I'll absolutely chirp him endless for missing an empty net from 1 inch out

I think that will be the scenario yes…

That’s why I’m even more pissed at Duke’s production since coming back !

If only he scored a little, we could say he is getting back to form, and find his groove, and get value out of him.

With his performances since the comeback, we would be lucky to get a third for the guy…

And you know that if we get in the playoffs, this is not where his value will get pumped either.

The guy was responsible for the Sabres disallowed goal last night, with his brain-dead and soft-ass play on the board, behind the net… Duke wouldn’t have survived our training camp !

Keep the Sams, ALWAYS keep the Sams !!!

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

We've created many ~30 goal guys dating back to Marchessault of recent past.

Barkov, Verheaghe and Tkachuk should all be 30ish goal players for a while.

Dadonov had 28 twice
Hoffman had 36 and 29 in 69 games
Trocheck had 30
Huberdeau had 30
Duclair had 31
Reinhart back to back 30 goal

We can produce multiple 20+ goal guys and have ability to create 30 goal guys as well. Not saying to get rid of Reinhart just because but if he's able to land a top 4 D we can re-sign, go for it.

If not, I'm just unsure we give out another long term deal on forward that may be close to 8 mil per.