Olympics: Russia approves athletes competing under neutral flag, KHLers to play

[Yakushev72]

Larionov sounds a little too accusatory and self-serving here. He claims steroid use was voluminous, ripe and systematic, even forced on players.
But, true to form, he, himself, never doped.

Nothing spurs more unanimity among Russian fans as the hatred of Larionov. He was the guy who constantly whined and complained about how hard and cruel the Soviet system was, and what a meany Tikhonov was. He mused about how he wished he would have stayed in Voskresensk and landed a good factory job, but nevertheless ultimately consented to accepting all of the millions of dollars and lavish lifestyle that Coach Tikhonov's cruel methods got him. The bitterness of his fate brings tears to all of our eyes, and we hope that he can feel peace just collecting the millions that he gets for delivering fresh Russian meat to the CHL in his role as "Russian Legend."

 

[Jablkon]

Nothing spurs more unanimity among Russian fans as the hatred of Larionov. He was the guy who constantly whined and complained about how hard and cruel the Soviet system was, and what a meany Tikhonov was. He mused about how he wished he would have stayed in Voskresensk and landed a good factory job, but nevertheless ultimately consented to accepting all of the millions of dollars and lavish lifestyle that Coach Tikhonov's cruel methods got him. The bitterness of his fate brings tears to all of our eyes, and we hope that he can feel peace just collecting the millions that he gets for delivering fresh Russian meat to the CHL in his role as "Russian Legend."

Your young players and their parents are free independent persons, arent they?

 

[Jussi]

More comments from Larionov: Ларионов: Почему мы все время ищем врагов? Сделали ошибку с допингом – признайте

 

[LMFAO]

Has the Russia roster been announce yet? Anybody has a mock roster or something?

 

[Toro2017]

Thomas Bach told on reuters, that the decision made earlier this week, was to

"give clean Russian athletes the opportunity to participate, and give a young and new generation of clean Russian athletes the opportunity to be at the Olympic Games and be ambassadors for a new clean Russian sport".

 

[Zine]

Thomas Bach told on reuters, that the decision made earlier this week, was to

"give clean Russian athletes the opportunity to participate, and give a young and new generation of clean Russian athletes the opportunity to be at the Olympic Games and be ambassadors for a new clean Russian sport".

Well there you have it. The IOC is finally admitting they’re banning Russians without concrete evidence of wrong doing. There only needs to be the slightest ‘suspicion of wrong doing’, whatever ad hoc reasoning that amounts to.

I understand there are political motives against Russia, but this is a very slippery slope for the IOC to go down.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

Roster is out

 

[Fantomas]

Well there you have it. The IOC is finally admitting they’re banning Russians without concrete evidence of wrong doing. There only needs to be the slightest ‘suspicion of wrong doing’, whatever ad hoc reasoning that amounts to.

I understand there are political motives against Russia, but this is a very slippery slope for the IOC to go down.

I'm not even mad about this. Russian officials have chosen to simply take this and therefore they deserve what they get.

The athletes are screwed, but they get screwed regardless.

 

[Zine]

I'm not even mad about this. Russian officials have chosen to simply take this and therefore they deserve what they get.

The athletes are screwed, but they get screwed regardless.

The situation is disgusting. The IOC and WADA’s persecution of our athletes, culminating in their banning of athletes who have passed every test, is reprehensible. All the while Putin and co. are sitting there with smiles on their faces doing jack squat.
Shameful.

 

[Macman]

The situation is disgusting. The IOC and WADA’s persecution of our athletes, culminating in their banning of athletes who have passed every test, is reprehensible. All the while Putin and co. are sitting there with smiles on their faces doing jack squat.
Shameful.

Of course they passed every test. They swapped dirty samples for clean, then destroyed the dirty samples. Shameful indeed.

 

[Hanji]

Of course they passed every test. They swapped dirty samples for clean, then destroyed the dirty samples. Shameful indeed.

Competitors who didn't partake in the Sochi fiasco are also being excluded.
Hell, the IOC has admitted that drug offenses are not the reason for some of the exclusions (see the hockey players). Furthermore they’re refusing to tell the Russian Federation why.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but this doesn't pass the common sense test. The lack of transparency is baffling. The IOC has some splainin’ to do.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

Of course they passed every test. They swapped dirty samples for clean, then destroyed the dirty samples. Shameful indeed.

It has been said numerous times that the hockey team was somewhat not affected anyways by these alleged accusations

 

[Jussi]

It has been said numerous times that the hockey team was somewhat not affected anyways by these alleged accusations

When stuff like this happens: Athletes flee regional event in Russia as drug testers arrive, there's fire behind that smoke.

But yes, the story goes that the women's team's samples were switched ahead of the 2014 Olympics but the men's team declined similar treatment.

 

[Alessandro Seren Rosso]

When stuff like this happens: Athletes flee regional event in Russia as drug testers arrive, there's fire behind that smoke.

But yes, the story goes that the women's team's samples were switched ahead of the 2014 Olympics but the men's team declined similar treatment.

We discussed this topic to death. We're talking about our men's hockey team, which was cleared clean.

 

[Garl]

Of course they passed every test. They swapped dirty samples for clean, then destroyed the dirty samples. Shameful indeed.

Some top athletes who were banned have never failed a test in their life, they were not even mentioned in the "Dusches" list. You're slandering people for no reason.

 

[Garl]

When stuff like this happens: Athletes flee regional event in Russia as drug testers arrive, there's fire behind that smoke.

But yes, the story goes that the women's team's samples were switched ahead of the 2014 Olympics but the men's team declined similar treatment.

So, because athletes at some regional competition have been doped, it is a right decision to ban Ustyugov, Shipulin and other world class athletes, who never failed a test in their life?

 

[Yakushev72]

Doping in hockey consists mainly of steroids to recover from hard training, but the practices are widespread and not specific to Russia. Doping really doesn't help much in hockey, which is why the NHL and the rest of the hockey world ignores it. It is not specifically a muscle sport or an endurance sport, and there is no significant advantage to using drugs in hockey. .

 

[Jussi]

Doping in hockey consists mainly of steroids to recover from hard training, but the practices are widespread and not specific to Russia. Doping really doesn't help much in hockey, which is why the NHL and the rest of the hockey world ignores it. It is not specifically a muscle sport or an endurance sport, and there is no significant advantage to using drugs in hockey. .

Ephedrine and stimulants that help with endurance.

 

[Atas2000]

When stuff like this happens: Athletes flee regional event in Russia as drug testers arrive, there's fire behind that smoke.

But yes, the story goes that the women's team's samples were switched ahead of the 2014 Olympics but the men's team declined similar treatment.

You started the whataboutism, so here you go:

Whar about DeltaG?

What about all the very sick athletes preferably from the US, Canada, UK, Australia, Norway(do I need to explain the pattern to you?) allowed their drugs "for treatment"?

What about official WADA statistic about athletes failing tests according to which there is a "normal" range of 1-2% of positive tests? Russia fits right in, not standing out at any rate. Not before 2015 and not after it after Russians have gotten tested way more than your all clean and shiny athletes? What about it?

What about western athletes using their western meldonium clone which is "inexplicably" not forbidden by WADA?

What about the russian Paralympics team being banned alltogether? Where was that smoke? Where the fire?

I see a lot of smoke coming from the US, Canada, UK. We should ban them all. And maybe Mexico, 'cause they are you know close neighbours to the US. And there are Finns who try to cast a shadow on russian sports. Why? What are they hiding? Probably the finnish state controlled doping system. Ban them. Ban them all!

 

[RossiyaSport]

Sochi Olympics was the womens teams worst performance. They performed better everywhere including worlds that were in Sweden and Canada.

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One of the things that isn't talked about is the Russian athletes are the most vetted. They are tested to death. Their internal testing is controlled by the UK, no fans of Russia, and their tests in the last 3 years have been 99.3% clean. They also aren't able to abuse the TUES system.

And sporting performance has been as good as ever. I think one of the falsehoods people doing this attack have bought into is a belief that this would limit their sporting success and it simply hasn't happened and this has frustrated them.

I have had a splitting headache all day because I am so angry about how these virtue signally Russophobic idiots are still attacking the Paralympians.

 

[Fantomas]

You started the whataboutism, so here you go:

Whar about DeltaG?

What about all the very sick athletes preferably from the US, Canada, UK, Australia, Norway(do I need to explain the pattern to you?) allowed their drugs "for treatment"?

What about official WADA statistic about athletes failing tests according to which there is a "normal" range of 1-2% of positive tests? Russia fits right in, not standing out at any rate. Not before 2015 and not after it after Russians have gotten tested way more than your all clean and shiny athletes? What about it?

What about western athletes using their western meldonium clone which is "inexplicably" not forbidden by WADA?

What about the russian Paralympics team being banned alltogether? Where was that smoke? Where the fire?

I see a lot of smoke coming from the US, Canada, UK. We should ban them all. And maybe Mexico, 'cause they are you know close neighbours to the US. And there are Finns who try to cast a shadow on russian sports. Why? What are they hiding? Probably the finnish state controlled doping system. Ban them. Ban them all!

And if we take WADA's word for everything then we should accept Dick Pound's claims that the NHL is saturated with illegal drug use.

Depending on the parameters one sets for what's performance enhancing claims like this can always be true. But the enforcement is uneven and is politically motivated.

 

[Fantomas]

Remember when China last hosted the Olympics and their medal count spiked a crazy amount? I bet that's not just about the home field advantage.

But China makes everyone's favorite dollarama crap.

 

[Zine]

Finally some justice, albeit somewhat.

More than half of all the Russian athletes who received lifetime bans from the IOC have had their suspensions overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The justification? Insufficient evidence to prove doping had occurred.

Winter Olympics 2018: Court overturns life bans given to Russian athletes

 

[Albatros]

Why somewhat? Conversely it also means that in the rest of the cases there was sufficient evidence.

 

[Zine]

Why somewhat? Conversely it also means that in the rest of the cases there was sufficient evidence.

I said ‘somewhat’ because it shouldn't have reached this point in the first place.

Were some of our guys doping? Certainly, without question. But like Fantomas alluded to, enforcement is uneven and is politically motivated.
It doesnt take a brain surgeon to realize something shady is occuring when 43 athletes are banned for life, yet in only 4 of those cases is there deemed sufficient evidence to justify a lifetime penalty.