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[Jumptheshark]

cool

they have taken down the country blocker so I can watch this while I am at work from the oilers site

 

[rockinghockey]

I don’t want to see EDM do something crazy in the off season, yes they had a terrible year but don’t go for a quick fix. They have a good pick this year, draft well this year go with Mczd, LD, Strome Khaira down the middle. Play RNH on the wing with McD it is working out well so far. Sign a few UFA wingers like Vanek and hopefully they have a better year. Going for a quick fix will not be old for the team 3 yrs from now.

 

[cgf]

So let's say you guys get the second or third pick in the lottery & draft Svech or Zadina...at that point do you think Chia would consider moving Leon + your 2019 1st (top 10 protected) for Karlsson (extension in place), Kerfoot and/or Andrighetto, plus getting to dump Russell? Would open enough money up for Chia to then go out & sign someone like Kane or JVR and try to make a serious run with something like:

JVR - McDavid - Zadina
Lucic - RNH - Puljujarvi
Yamamoto - Kerfoot - Strome
Slepyshev - Khaira - Kassian
Berg

Klef - Karlsson
Nurse - Larsson
Sekera - Benning
Bear

I know you shouldn't trade Leon...but watching a lot of McD to keep tabs on Leon and watching a lot of EK lately to see how duchene is doing...has had me think about how ridiculous EK & McJesus operating a PP together would be. And that top 4 could be nasty if Klef can get back into form over the summer so you could use Nurse-Larsson as a dominant shutdown pairing...leaving a top 4 that only Nashville could best. With a top line that should just be dominant with JVR crashing the net while McJesus tees up Zadina, that roster could save Chia & Wilson's jobs.


How crazy am I for thinking that if you got Zadina this could make sense to chia? On a scale of 1 to purple.

 

[Spawn]

I'm pretty sure that we'd be looking at adding Karlsson over Hoffman. I wonder if RNH or Klefbom + our 1st (assuming that we don't win the Dahlin lottery) would move the needle for Karlsson? If he'd sign for say $10 million that'd be great.

I don't think there's any chance that would get it done. And I'm skeptical Karlsson would agree to a trade here even if it did move the needle for the Sens management.

Honestly I think any deal for Nuge is going to revolve around the Oilers clearing salary for lesser piece(s).

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't think there's any chance that would get it done. And I'm skeptical Karlsson would agree to a trade here even if it did move the needle for the Sens management.

Honestly I think any deal for Nuge is going to revolve around the Oilers clearing salary for lesser piece(s).

based on the Eberle trade, that would probably be a good guess, but I don't think so. Our cap structure does not require that RNH go, unless we are adding even more salary somewhere else, which could happen I admit.

I think now is the time for Chiarelli to overpay in a trade where we get the best player in the deal. So in other words, RNH++ for a player that would represent the final addition to the main core.

Part of it is that the real reason we traded Eberle last offseason and not this coming offseason was the opportunity. Eberle was not viewed as worth his salary at all, and we found a buyer who would take him without retention, with no guarantee that the offer would stay on the table forever. The 2018 offseason had to be one with clear salary to accommodate McDavid's extension so we could not risk keeping Eberle (that's the logic anyway). Eberle could have easily had a very regressed 2017-18 season and if that happened he would be virtually untradeable without huge retention.

This is totally different than RNH. He is having a fantastic year, and there would many, many teams lining up to add him to their team and he is worth all his salary.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

If RNH finishes the season strong on McDavids wing, I find it hard to believe management would consider trading him.

 

[lakai17]

If RNH finishes the season strong on McDavids wing, I find it hard to believe management would consider trading him.

Management here wouldn't surprise you, would they?

Expect summer 2016 all over again.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Unlike Eberle last season, RNH has not played like crap this season. If we move him for futures it should be for much more than a Strome type. Hopefully we don't trade him at all (that would be the best choice in this case).

 

[t0nedeff]

Nuge putting up 70 points on Mcdavids wing for 6 million will be a bargain and they've already shown to have chemistry and Nuge is playing some of his best hockey since his rookie year it'd be asinine to even consider shipping him out at this point. Nuge on the wing at 6 is faaaaaaaaaaar better than having Drai there at 8.5.

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Management here wouldn't surprise you, would they?

Expect summer 2016 all over again.

I didn't like 2016 but I understood why they did it. They knew they needed a 20+ min young defenseman and dealt a winger, which is historically the least impactful position.

I'll understand trading RNH for a RH puck moving defenseman, yes. But for a winger like Hoffman? RNH can do that role himself. And is more valuable because he can sub into center if Drai or McDavid get injured.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

If RNH finishes the season strong on McDavids wing, I find it hard to believe management would consider trading him.

I like Drai better on McDavid's wing, there is natural chemistry there and it makes both of them happy and instead of a huge focus on finding the perfect winger for McDavid, I want to focus on finding a perfect winger for RNH, cause I suspect RNH will get saddled with Lucic and he'll need some help to carry him and I believe the duo of McDavid and Drai should be able to carry just about anyone(aside from Lucic apparently ).

My top six would be:

Affordable winger - McDavid - Drai
Lucic - RNH - Quality winger

The Sedins and the Getzlaf + Perry duo both demonstrated the ability to carry lesser players, McDavid and Drai should be able to do that- turn a 20-25 point winger into a 40-45 point winger, what I'd look for is just someone who's got a bit of grit to their game (doesn't have to be a primary attribute), who will work hard in the corners, won't kill plays, smart enough to keep their stick on the ice as some unexpected passes might find their way to you, and a little bit of an understated goal touch; I don't think we need to really dig deep to find the perfect winger just some with the right attributes and try to upgrade the wing quality on the team as a whole and you can rotate guys through there if anyone gets a bit cold, so it's a bit of a dog fight to stay on the line. Finding an ideal winger for RNH is a bit hard, as a player he is also very accommodating in that he tends to want to adjust to his linemates more then have his linemates adjust to him; if we just find a smart player with some skill who is good at keeping plays alive it will probably work out pretty well. Adding a shooter is a bonus, but not to the extent of getting a specialist who only shoots well and does nothing else, I'd prefer to just try and dominate possession with our top 6 above all else, do that and the rest tends to work itself out.

I'd also have goals for targets for the top 6- I'd want 90 goals out of the forward trio (McDavid and Drai alone should flirt with 70 goals combined, so roughly 20 goals from that 3rd man) on the 1st line and 60 goals from the forward trio on the 2nd line (hoping Lucic can get back to being close to a 20 goal scorer, Nuge just a tad over 20 goals, and the 3rd man making up the windfall)

 

[GameChanger]

I believe Chia and the others believe Puljujarvi will become what they hoped when they drafted him, as otherwise they'd tried to increase his value by playing him like Lucic, Letestu and Camalleri. If they weren't sure about what they've got they'd used him in a different way to see it. That's why they probably don't plan to trade him, but instead try to keep his value lowish and make him sign an extension.

But if TM continues here I hope they do trade Jesse anyway. In that case I hope they'd showcase Jesse during the last games and then use him as a big piece to get a #1 defender.

 

[MoneyGuy]

.... Nuge is playing some of his best hockey since his rookie year it'd be asinine to even consider shipping him out at this point....

It's like asinine is Chia's middle name.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

Here's a hypothetical for you.

Say a team offers to take Lucic (and he is willing to go) with no retention, and the deal is for our high 2nd this year, and our 2 extra 3rds next year. On Condition of this deal happening, Maroon is willing to resign at a reasonsable contract.

Do you make that deal?

 

[Mr Positive]

Here's a hypothetical for you.

Say a team offers to take Lucic (and he is willing to go) with no retention, and the deal is for our high 2nd this year, and our 2 extra 3rds next year. On Condition of this deal happening, Maroon is willing to resign at a reasonsable contract.

Do you make that deal?

first off, I don't think any team takes that deal. That's a lot of money to take on for some picks that aren't great. It's not monopoly money, and the rich teams out there are still concerned with the cap. It would take a mid-first at least.

And no, I'm not in favor of making some deal to load off Lucic for major future assets. He will be a here a couple more seasons, and if there is no bounce back, then he will be LTIRetired. We need those young players to fill out the team as the years go by. There's no need to expand the problem of Lucic beyond Lucic

 

[HenrikW]

Here's a hypothetical for you.

Say a team offers to take Lucic (and he is willing to go) with no retention, and the deal is for our high 2nd this year, and our 2 extra 3rds next year. On Condition of this deal happening, Maroon is willing to resign at a reasonsable contract.

Do you make that deal?

No. Lucic needs to lose weight and reset. He'll bounce back

 

[GameChanger]

No. Lucic needs to lose weight and reset. He'll bounce back

A while ago I took a closer look at his even strength stats last year and was disappointed. It's quite easy to raise ones points in a working PP (like the one last year), but it can also hide the true value of the player.

So it's hard to believe that Lucic will be worth his salary, but at this stage I'd be happy enough with some 2/3 of the value. Right now it's a long way to that, though.

 

[oilers89]

I think a cheap option (salary and acquisition wise) that would be a good target would be Sven baertschi outta van. 35 points last year. 29 in 53 games this year. Has speed and high send skill. He is a guy that we could plug and play with McDavid or drai and really see there scoring take off.

RNH McDavid pulj
Baertschi Drai ___
Lucic strome Yamo
Slep khaira Kass

Would be nice then if we could grab a guy like grabner that can play on any line. Start him off with Drai but if yamo is playing well move em up.

Another thought was if signed a guy like Riley Nash (if he's over his issues with th organization) then it creates more flexibility with strome n Nash being ash,e to play wing or Center.

RNH McDavid pulj
Baertschi Drai Strome
Lucic Nash Yamo
Slep khaira kass
Or
RNH McDavid pulj
Baertschi Draj Yamo
Lucic Strome Nash
Slep khaira kass

Just few thoughts/ideas on a couple guys that prob wouldn't break the bank and would help our wing and depth.

 

[belair]

Nash burned his bridge in Edmonton a long time ago. They seem to be working on easing Strome into that 3C role with both PP and PK icetime. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come out of this season with a contract with a three or four year term at a manageable cap hit. Our off-season additions are likely focused on the wings with a small possibility that an adjustment happens on the back end.

Your target of Baertchi is in the ballpark of where we should be looking for depth additions. Lower cap hits and non-established forwards. I haven't seen much of the Canucks this year but I'm under the impression that Baertchi is an integral part of their offense, so I'd assume the cost would be a bit higher than we'd be willing to pay. A couple guys I'd have my eye on leading into training camp are Nic Petan and Marko Dano in Winnipeg, who'll both be vying for roster spots or risking waivers. There'll be plenty of Pontus Aberg type guys out there after training camp, so it'll be interesting to see if we can pull another Maroon-like win.

 

[McDNicks17]

The teams making the NCAA tournament will be official at 12 est today, so there might be some action for NCAA free agents on teams not making it.

 

[Faelko]

RNH-McDavid-Pulju
(If McLellan wasn't so stubborn they should be giving this a test run for the last 10 games)

*new guy*-Draisaitl-Yams
(I don't know if Yam is ready but Oil gonna Oil, if McLellan is back that'll be Lucic on 2LW)

Lucic-Strome-*new guy with PK ability*
(Lucic probably slots in at 2LW but I'd try him here to start. Slepy could be the 3RW here but I'm not sure he's gonna stay. I like Strome at C better than W)

Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian
(Honestly, a better line than the 3rd. Alternately I'd like to see the Oilers bring in a new 4th C with faceoff and PK ability and put Khaira at 3LW and Lucic to 2LW)

 

[Jet Walters]

RNH-McDavid-Pulju
(If McLellan wasn't so stubborn they should be giving this a test run for the last 10 games)

*new guy*-Draisaitl-Yams
(I don't know if Yam is ready but Oil gonna Oil, if McLellan is back that'll be Lucic on 2LW)

Lucic-Strome-*new guy with PK ability*
(Lucic probably slots in at 2LW but I'd try him here to start. Slepy could be the 3RW here but I'm not sure he's gonna stay. I like Strome at C better than W)

Caggiula-Khaira-Kassian
(Honestly, a better line than the 3rd. Alternately I'd like to see the Oilers bring in a new 4th C with faceoff and PK ability and put Khaira at 3LW and Lucic to 2LW)

I think Khaira could even fill that 2nd line LW spot, or more likely 3rd line with Lucic on the 2nd. Derek Ryan might be a target for 4C but he might be too pricey. Not sure if we should go into the year with both Yamamoto and Pulju slotted in the top 6 either. I think one starts on the 3rd line with Khaira/Lucic and Strome.

 

[Faelko]

I think Khaira could even fill that 2nd line LW spot, or more likely 3rd line with Lucic on the 2nd. Derek Ryan might be a target for 4C but he might be too pricey. Not sure if we should go into the year with both Yamamoto and Pulju slotted in the top 6 either. I think one starts on the 3rd line with Khaira/Lucic and Strome.

Good points. I do think they’ll try and get some skill to play with Draisaitl, not sure we can afford anyone established is why I was guessing Yamamoto, that and the Oilers history of using young players in top 6 role.

I agree about Khaira, so glad Vegas didnt take him. He seems to be just as effective at W as C and that is starting to become a theme with the Oilers. Draisaitl, Strome, Khaira and now RNH all seem to be able to play effectively at both positions.

I also forgot about Aberg, which unfortunately is an easy thing to do. Really not sure where he fits and is an upgrade? Is he any better than Slepyshev, Caggiula, Pakarinen? If Khaira moves over to 3LW with Strome and Yamamoto (as an example), that means one less spot for wingers. Oilers are going to have to make some decisions on some of these guys.

 

[belair]

So Aberg pulled a Josh Ho-Sang?

I think it's good. He hasn't been overly impressive in my eyes beyond a few examples of some good vision. Lighting a fire under his ass might be a good thing. If he continues to be meh, the Condors will have a star player next season.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

So Aberg pulled a Josh Ho-Sang?

I think it's good. He hasn't been overly impressive in my eyes beyond a few examples of some good vision. Lighting a fire under his ass might be a good thing. If he continues to be meh, the Condors will have a star player next season.

What did he do?