Rumour, Trade and Free Agent Discussion - 2020/21 Edition (OP Warning)

[tbcwpg]

Last one over the limit.

Please note: This is NOT a thread to discuss whether it was a mistake to re-sign X player, or to discuss Maurice's usage of certain Finnish and/or Danish wingers.

Here are the last few posts:

I am not a phsychic and I don't pretend to know what Chevy or Marc Bergevin are thinking, but there is now way the habs are moving Kotkaniemi after these playoffs, unless the Rangers would give them Laff for him.

And with Chevy facing a flat cap for the next 2-3 season why would he trade an elite winger like Ehlers signed long term for peanuts!!?

Patrick is the odd man out on this team and will be traded, no end of year interview from him yet?! Maybe it's beacause usually says exactly how he feels.

Reporter: "So Patrik looking forward to play another season on the second line coached by Paul Maurice?"

I haven't watched either of them play enough to form a strong opinion, but if you look at adjusted shot metrics, Dillon is far superior, and would likely come a big cheaper.

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Virtanen or Puljujarvi, yes. Young kids with upside who need to get a fresh start on a new team.
Nolan Patrick, no. His injury history is to hard to overlook, for the price they want in return.

I tend to think that Samberg is more ready than Heinola to make the jump to the NHL. I'd be looking at something like this, if they sign Dillon and DeMelo...

Morrissey-DeMelo
Dillon-Pionk
Samberg-Poolman.

Another player that I think the Jets might want to look at is Cernak with TB. He's a big RD that can play on the 2nd pair, and I think he has some potential. TB is going to have a very hard time re-signing him, along with Sergachev and Cirelli. The Jets could pursue a trade, and follow with an offer sheet (highly unlikely).

Laine played 74% of his 5v5 time with Scheifele last season.

Who did he play with during these playoffs for the two games he was healthy and who do think Maurice wants to play with Connor and 55 next season?

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[Mortimer Snerd]

@surixon

I agree. I think we need to rebalance the talent and cap on this roster.

Ideally we get more talent at center and on defense. If we need to move a scoring winger to make that happen then I think that pushes the team further ahead depending on who you can get for the other positions.

I have suggested Laine to Florida (Reunites him and Barkov) for Ekblad, Tippet and something.

This moves cap to our defense and gives us a legit all around top pairing. We also add a younger cost controlled scoring winger that can play in Laine's spot on the second line next season. We significantly upgrade a very important position while down grading a less important one.

We then have plenty of cap space and some future assets to fill the center spot. Say Cirelli for Roslovic plus.

Conner Scheifele Ehlers
Ehlers Cirelli Tippet
Copp Lowry Appelton (3a checking line)
Perraukt Harkins Vesalainen (3b scoring line)

Morrissey Ekblad
Samberg Pionk
Heinola Poolman
Beau (expansion fodder) Dhalatrom

Not that I wouldn't like this - I don't think it is realistic. Fla doesn't give us Ekblad + Tippett + Connolly (who you added later) for Laine. That plus to TBL for Cirelli has to be pretty big, like our 1st. Not sure if they would have any interest in Roslovic at all or not. Might depend on how they do in this year's PO. They got more physicality, tougher to play against with their rentals this year. If it works, they will want to make that a more permanent part of their game. Rosie won't do that. Lowry would, but Maurice would fight that idea.

I will be pleasantly surprised if Samberg is ready for 2nd pair duty this year and if Heinola is ready for 3rd pair. Looks good on paper though.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

@surixon

Cirelli is a good player but there are other centers i would rather target.

Cirelli is getting massively overvalued on this board. But I think he would be a good fit for our needs.

The trick is to offer TBL reasonable value with minimal cap hit. I've been offering our 1st + Lowry at 50%. It could be Copp at 50% instead, but I prefer Lowry at this point. But now that our pick has risen to #10, I'm beginning to wonder if that is not too much for Cirelli. As others have pointed out recently, he is not the next Messier.

Who are these other C's you would rather target? Schmaltz? Ari wants cap space to sign Hall.

 

[surixon]

Cirelli is getting massively overvalued on this board. But I think he would be a good fit for our needs.

The trick is to offer TBL reasonable value with minimal cap hit. I've been offering our 1st + Lowry at 50%. It could be Copp at 50% instead, but I prefer Lowry at this point. But now that our pick has risen to #10, I'm beginning to wonder if that is not too much for Cirelli. As others have pointed out recently, he is not the next Messier.

Who are these other C's you would rather target? Schmaltz? Ari wants cap space to sign Hall.

I'd take Schmaltz over him and possibly Domi. Domi is a pure playmaker who can skate well and plays fiesty (Two things we need in our top 6). I also think Domi comes cheaper then him given the current situation in Montreal.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'd take Schmaltz over him and possibly Domi. Domi is a pure playmaker who can skate well and plays fiesty (Two things we need in our top 6). I also think Domi comes cheaper then him given the current situation in Montreal.

The problem with Domi is retaining him. We would likely only get him for 2 years. That might still be OK if the price was right. Gives 2 years for him to get more comfortable here. Meantime, we have 2 years to find the next 2C if necessary.

What are you going to offer Mtl?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

@BatVader

We could take Killorn with Cirelli to help Tampa afford to sign Sergachev.

Killorn has a 16 team No Trade List. Nice idea, but I don't think he would accept it.

 

[Huffer]

The problem with Domi is retaining him. We would likely only get him for 2 years. That might still be OK if the price was right. Gives 2 years for him to get more comfortable here. Meantime, we have 2 years to find the next 2C if necessary.

What are you going to offer Mtl?

Why would we only get him for 2 years? It's decided already that he would only sign a 2 year extension to get to UFA? If we traded for him, I would think Chevy would be doing it with the agreement on a longer extension.

 

[Slade Logan]

The problem with Domi is retaining him. We would likely only get him for 2 years. That might still be OK if the price was right. Gives 2 years for him to get more comfortable here. Meantime, we have 2 years to find the next 2C if necessary.

What are you going to offer Mtl?

I would offer our 10th and Roslovic for Montreal’s 16th ( if they get knocked out by Philadelphia) and Domi.

 

[surixon]

The problem with Domi is retaining him. We would likely only get him for 2 years. That might still be OK if the price was right. Gives 2 years for him to get more comfortable here. Meantime, we have 2 years to find the next 2C if necessary.

What are you going to offer Mtl?

Its like @Huffer stated, I wouldnt make a trade without a longer term extension already agreed to.

I also don't mind the Roslovic and 10th for Domi and 16th idea that was thrown around be @Slade Logan . Maybe we have to also add a mid round pick to balance.

 

[Slade Logan]

Its like @Huffer stated, I wouldnt make a trade without a longer term extension already agreed to.

I also don't mind the Roslovic and 10th for Domi and 16th idea that was thrown around. Maybe we have to also add a mid round pick to balance.

I would be fine with a small add for balance. With this we get a decent center for at least 2 years and we are still able to draft a decent player.

 

[Huffer]

I would offer our 10th and Roslovic for Montreal’s 16th ( if they get knocked out by Philadelphia) and Domi.

If I was Chevy I think I'd need to see who's there at 10. If there is a guy on the Jets list that they have very high that falls, I think you'd need to keep the pick and try another package. Otherwise if they like the players from 10 to 16 pretty close, I think you make that deal.

 

[Slade Logan]

If I was Chevy I think I'd need to see who's there at 10. If there is a guy on the Jets list that they have very high that falls, I think you'd need to keep the pick and try another package. Otherwise if they like the players from 10 to 16 pretty close, I think you make that deal.

True enough.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

@Whileee

If the Jets move a winger, I highly doubt it would be Connor (though I think he'd perhaps be the best option). Maurice is enamoured with him. Moving Ehlers might make Laine disgruntled. That leaves Laine. I'm not convinced that the Jets are completely sold in Laine as a top-end player going forward, and if he's demanding $9.5M+ in salary to sign long term, I could see the Jets shaking the foundation by moving him for a young C and futures. There were allusions to the need for young players working to make the next step. Reading between the lines and considering the history, it's hard not to think the Jets have been underwhelmed by Laine's commitment to improve. If they aren't persuaded that he's serious about getting fitter, faster and more skilled, I can't see them giving him a franchise player type of contract.

I don't like it but I think this may be (at least some of) the reality. Not sure about your belief that Laine lacks commitment to improve. But if it is true, or simply if management believes it to be true, it is more fuel to the fire. Even if you are the only one who believes that, they may be looking at moving Laine for a list of reasons. The next contract could be the biggest one, from more than one aspect. The simple fact that the others are already signed to good long term contracts could be all the reason it takes. Certainty vs uncertainty.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Why would we only get him for 2 years? It's decided already that he would only sign a 2 year extension to get to UFA? If we traded for him, I would think Chevy would be doing it with the agreement on a longer extension.

Because he has said that he hated the Montreal winter and the social life. If he hates the Montreal winter what will he think of Wpg's? It sounds like he wants to go to the US.

Maybe it is a language thing in Mtl and he would learn to be happy in Wpg, but I wouldn't want to pay a high price for him to find out.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I would offer our 10th and Roslovic for Montreal’s 16th ( if they get knocked out by Philadelphia) and Domi.

Might work.

 

[Hunter368]

I don't like it but I think this may be (at least some of) the reality. Not sure about your belief that Laine lacks commitment to improve. But if it is true, or simply if management believes it to be true, it is more fuel to the fire. Even if you are the only one who believes that, they may be looking at moving Laine for a list of reasons. The next contract could be the biggest one, from more than one aspect. The simple fact that the others are already signed to good long term contracts could be all the reason it takes. Certainty vs uncertainty.

Ive said for two years now I don’t want to trade any of Ehlers/KC/Laine.....but if I was to trade one it would be Laine. This isn’t to say that Laine isn’t the most valuable of the three.....but he would be gone for a number of reasons if I decided one needs to go. I have no issues trading Laine, as long as we fill needs and get good value back.

 

[Whileee]

I don't like it but I think this may be (at least some of) the reality. Not sure about your belief that Laine lacks commitment to improve. But if it is true, or simply if management believes it to be true, it is more fuel to the fire. Even if you are the only one who believes that, they may be looking at moving Laine for a list of reasons. The next contract could be the biggest one, from more than one aspect. The simple fact that the others are already signed to good long term contracts could be all the reason it takes. Certainty vs uncertainty.

Reading between the lines I thought it was interesting that Maurice specifically praised Connor and Ehlers for working / training hard to take a step forward, but no mention of Laine. If he thought Laine had also worked hard to improve, I would have expected him to be mentioned.

Beyond that, although Laine has played more responsibly, I haven't seen a big improvement in his skating, stamina or skills since his rookie season. He's clearly bigger and stronger, but that's a fairly natural physical progression at that age.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

I would offer our 10th and Roslovic for Montreal’s 16th ( if they get knocked out by Philadelphia) and Domi.

I don't know if Montreal would go for it, but I would. As long as Domi is is willing to sign long term here. I'd be fine with a small add by us if needed.

 

[Hunter368]

Might work.

Value wise: 10th OA, Jack , 3rd pick for Domi (with an agreement on a new long term deal & willingness to stay) plus 16th OA is pretty close values.

Problem is the biggest part of our offer is futures based which isn’t really what the Habs want/need.

 

[Hunter368]

Reading between the lines I thought it was interesting that Maurice specifically praised Connor and Ehlers for working / training hard to take a step forward, but no mention of Laine. If he thought Laine had also worked hard to improve, I would have expected him to be mentioned.

Beyond that, although Laine has played more responsibly, I haven't seen a big improvement in his skating, stamina or skills since his rookie season. He's clearly bigger and stronger, but that's a fairly natural physical progression at that age.

Agreed......Laine might get moved and I have no issue with that....as long as we fill needs and get good value

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Its like @Huffer stated, I wouldnt make a trade without a longer term extension already agreed to.

I also don't mind the Roslovic and 10th for Domi and 16th idea that was thrown around be @Slade Logan . Maybe we have to also add a mid round pick to balance.

I'm skeptical of Domi extending here after his comments about Mtl.

I think that value is pretty fair as is, especially for a player who is unhappy where he is. I would add our 5th or 6th if necessary, or a 4th a couple of years down the road. That 16th pick could still get us a good RHD prospect, possibly Schneider or else Grans or Barron.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Reading between the lines I thought it was interesting that Maurice specifically praised Connor and Ehlers for working / training hard to take a step forward, but no mention of Laine. If he thought Laine had also worked hard to improve, I would have expected him to be mentioned.

Beyond that, although Laine has played more responsibly, I haven't seen a big improvement in his skating, stamina or skills since his rookie season. He's clearly bigger and stronger, but that's a fairly natural physical progression at that age.

I think his skating has improved too and I'm certain his quickness has. Maybe not enough to earn Maurice's praise. But TBH, I never take Maurice's words as meaning what they say, or even what appears to be between the lines.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Value wise: 10th OA, Jack , 3rd pick for Domi (with an agreement on a new long term deal & willingness to stay) plus 16th OA is pretty close values.

Problem is the biggest part of our offer is futures based which isn’t really what the Habs want/need.

Yup. They are overloaded with picks and prospects. But a swap from 16 to 10 is a boost to quality, not quantity. They might see getting a player there who is not quite so far away from the NHL and Domi has really become surplus to their needs.

 

[SM]

The more I think about it, get Cirelli and Krug here, period.

I’d either do OS for Cirelli (next years 1st + 3rd), or trade using 10OA. Make Krug an offer he can’t refuse compared to what Boston has on the table. Now you have your defensively sound, high skill 2C to play with Laine and Ehlers for many years, and a PP specialist to get Laine and PP1 back to where they were with Buff. Ship out Perreault’s contract with Roslovic for a pick.

It doesn’t mean we win the cup next year, but if Heinola and Samberg can make big strides, there’s a real good opportunity for us in 2021-2022.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Tell me about Torey Krug and why we might be interested in signing him