Rumors Are Starting To Fade

[SENSible1*]

It's still much easier said than done.

I understand the owners need for it, but in reality, if negotiations continue at a decent pace, an owner retreat back to linkage right away would be a very difficult maneuver to pull, without accusations of negotiating in bad faith to be thrown out. That hurts with public relations, and with trying to continue to faction the union, let alone any attempt at declare an impasse.

If things hit a road-block over the summer, then they can retreat back to linkage, claiming the damage incurred by the lockout has changed the reality. Making that claim at this stage is a very dangerous maneuver in this negotiation game.

I'm not so sure about that Disco. When a major element of uncertainty is added to the equation by the loss of the season, then owners are well within their rights to put linkage back on the table without it being bad faith bargaining.

 

[discostu]

I'm not so sure about that Disco. When a major element of uncertainty is added to the equation by the loss of the season, then owners are well within their rights to put linkage back on the table without it being bad faith bargaining.

I understand that it may be within their rights, it doesn't mean those accusations won't get thrown out there, and that it will make the negotiations difficult.

I'm not saying that they may not abandon it eventually, it will however, require a strategy to do so. You can't reverse your position so quickly. You would come off as an SOB, and lose credibility in the negotiations, and stop the process in its tracks, which isn't good for anyone.

My guess is that the owners will bring linkage back into the discussion through indirect ways (i.e. through the use of "triggers" which has become a popular tactic on both sides).

 

[futurcorerock]

Sure they're starting to fade, it's the calm before the storm. Im as optimistic as I've ever been, if it doesn't happen, fine, but, the tension from these rumors are fun!

if you're optimistic, then there must be some sway in all these rumors.

 

[futurcorerock]

if you're optimistic, then there must be some sway in all these rumors.

Can we close or revise this, because flat-out there are no fade in rumors. If anything, I woke up this morning and was bombarded with "deal on the table" by many news sources.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

what has happend was the logical next step..(If it happend that is)

Yesterday, the PA splinter group found its voice within the Union and perhaps formed a big enough...They then had to decide on how to approach the situation and what to do next... Feelers were let out to see where the NHL stood...the NHL did not squash the bug..
Once the splinters met up, they would naturally quite up, as to not be known as the failed revolt of 2004-2005 if it does not pan out..

All that happening in a day was HUGE

Today, the offer was/is fromulated by the PA splinter group, while at the same time they continued to feel out the NHL's position on this...Perhaps tonight, early tomorrow they either bring the offer to the NHLPA, or possibly to the NHL if the PA leadership is involved in the revolt by this point(we don't really know).. this part is going to be very silent.. as neither side wants to create false hope, or potentially look too weak to the other..

 

[SENSible1*]

I understand that it may be within their rights, it doesn't mean those accusations won't get thrown out there, and that it will make the negotiations difficult.

I'm not saying that they may not abandon it eventually, it will however, require a strategy to do so. You can't reverse your position so quickly. You would come off as an SOB, and lose credibility in the negotiations, and stop the process in its tracks, which isn't good for anyone.

My guess is that the owners will bring linkage back into the discussion through indirect ways (i.e. through the use of "triggers" which has become a popular tactic on both sides).

Stu,

Didn't Bettman make it clear that linkage was back on the table at his PC?

Goodenow made similar statements, if memory serves.

(Note, I'm not talking about any movement to get a deal signed for this season)

I think we can take them at their word.

 

[VAN-HAB]

Why did they delete the thread about the new Linden offer (as per ckac radio???????????)
Who did that?

 

[Doctor Zoidberg]

Can we close or revise this, because flat-out there are no fade in rumors. If anything, I woke up this morning and was bombarded with "deal on the table" by many news sources.

Articles written yesterday or last night that have been proven to be untrue. It's all the hockey news' fault. They printed a BS story and everybody ran with it.

 

[Jaysfanatic*]

Why did they delete the thread about the new Linden offer (as per ckac radio???????????)
Who did that?

You deleted it.

 

[Holly Gunning]

We will need a link to a credible news source, not a fan site. If someone would like to start a thread on the radio report, others will need to confirm they heard the same, or it will be deleted as well.

 

[bcrt2000]

Articles written yesterday or last night that have been proven to be untrue. It's all the hockey news' fault. They printed a BS story and everybody ran with it.

The Hockey News' story was false that Gretzky & Mario were negotiating something.. everything else (with a name on it) has not been proven untrue

 

[VAN-HAB]

We will need a link to a credible news source, not a fan site. If someone would like to start a thread on the radio report, others will need to confirm they heard the same, or it will be deleted as well.

DID YOU ALLOW TIME FOR ANYBODY TO CONFIRM THAT??????????

 

[futurcorerock]

Articles written yesterday or last night that have been proven to be untrue. It's all the hockey news' fault. They printed a BS story and everybody ran with it.

says you.

http://bolts.tbo.com/lightning/MGBEPMTUB5E.html

loser

 

[kenabnrmal]

Stu,

Didn't Bettman make it clear that linkage was back on the table at his PC?

Goodenow made similar statements, if memory serves.

(Note, I'm not talking about any movement to get a deal signed for this season)

I think we can take them at their word.

Why on earth would we do anything resembling taking those two at their word. NOTHING in these negotiations should be taken at face value. Ever. Its the nature of these things. If we all did that, these boards would have been dead since December.

 

[x-bob]

DID YOU ALLOW TIME FOR ANYBODY TO CONFIRM THAT??????????

I agree with you it shouldn't have been deleted. It's not like he was just saying that withut a source. CHfan was the source and I don't see a problem with that.

 

[Drury_Sakic]

The Hockey News' story was false that Gretzky & Mario were negotiating something.. everything else (with a name on it) has not been proven untrue

Mario and Wayne were talking about something... be it even just the end of the season..

 

[VAN-HAB]

I agree with you it shouldn't have been deleted. It's not like he was just saying that withut a source. CHfan was the source and I don't see a problem with that.

Attitude problems with some mods here

 

[futurcorerock]

Attitude problems with some mods here

you need to PM a mod about getting it reinstated... aside, will you fill us in who didnt see the thread as to what was said?

 

[bcrt2000]

www.tsn.ca:

Reprentatives of both NHL owners and players have not given up hope of salvaging the NHL season and many are confident games will be played this spring, TSN has learned.

According to sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity, several NHL owners have been in contact with agents and players in hope of getting a deal done.

"We can't let this thing die when we're so close," said one team executive. "We've come this far, it would be insane to lose the season over a relatively small gap."

 

[Nordik_19]

The thread that was deleted was about a french report saying that linden and Gartner made another proposal to Bettman with a link that they are saying is a blog. Also I heard CKAC reported the same thing it's a french radio station in Mtl.

 

[Jaysfanatic*]

Yeah, VANHAB you need to chill on the mods dude, they're doing what the rules state.

 

[VAN-HAB]

you need to PM a mod about getting it reinstated... aside, will you fill us in who didnt see the thread as to what was said?

Linden and Mike Gartner presented NHL with a new offer (46 millions cap)!

 

[discostu]

Stu,

Didn't Bettman make it clear that linkage was back on the table at his PC?

Goodenow made similar statements, if memory serves.

(Note, I'm not talking about any movement to get a deal signed for this season)

I think we can take them at their word.

I don't recall anything about Goodenow making such statements, but I didn't pay too close attention, so you could be right.

Hey, I could be wrong. It's just that I've been in, and witnessed, plenty of negotiations in my lifetime, and anytime I see a "one-time only" deal thrown out there, it usually lingers out there a lot longer than it was originally intended. We'll wait an see.

Remember, the NHL also said that they were never interested in a non-linkage situation before their offer came out, and yet, there it was.

 

[Jaysfanatic*]

www.tsn.ca:

Reprentatives of both NHL owners and players have not given up hope of salvaging the NHL season and many are confident games will be played this spring, TSN has learned.

According to sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity, several NHL owners have been in contact with agents and players in hope of getting a deal done.

"We can't let this thing die when we're so close," said one team executive. "We've come this far, it would be insane to lose the season over a relatively small gap."

So......TSN finally gets in on this.....well, that's it, we're screwed.

 

[HockeyShack]

I don't get why the thread was deleted? Shouldn't it have been locked and a message from a mod saying verification needed?