Roster Building XIX - Did we blow the deadline? Need to ask the magic 8-ball

[Nikishin Go Boom]

100%

That said, as long as people are going to stalk, it's worth pointing out he has been shopping around with realtors in the triangle and just sold his Pitt home, so maybe I should have bought the Guentzel jersey half off last week when I had the chance

I broke my no named merch rule when i bought a Tshirt when kk scored those 2 goals on Montreal.

i guess i was the bad luck or good luck (depending on your POV) that kk may not stay around long.

Although its fanatic so you can barely tell its a canes shirt anymore

 

[mikeyfan]

Here is my salary calculations for next season. With my numbers we will need 1 forward, 1 starting D and 1 Backup D

Sebastian Aho	$9,750,000.00
Andrei Svechnikov	$7,750,000.00
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Jordan Staal	$2,900,000.00
Evgeny Kuznetsov	$3,900,000.00
Jesper Fast	$2,400,000.00
Stefan, Noesen	$1,500,000.00
Martin Necas	$5,000,000.00
Jake Guentzel	$8,500,000.00
Jordan Martinook	$2,000,000.00
Seth Jarvis	$5,000,000.00
Jack Drury	$2,000,000.00
Brendon Lemieux	$775,000.00
/////////////////////	//////////////////////
Jacob Slavin	$5,300,000.00
Dmitry Orlov	$7,750,000.00
Brady Skjei	$7,000,000.00
Brett Pesce
Brent Burns	$5,280,000.00
Tony DeAngelo
Scott Morrow	$916,667.00
Dylan Coghlan
Frederik Andersen	$3,400,000.00
Stephan Martin
Pyotr Kochetkov	$2,000,000.00
Bonus
Retained
Total	$83,121,667.00
Cap Limit	$87,500,000.00
Remaining Cap Space	$4,378,333.00

 

[SeaBasstian]

Well that's certainly one way to spell Lemeiux

 

[mikeyfan]

Well that's certainly one way to spell Lemeiux

No worse than your bastardization of Sebastian

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

The following of players buying and selling houses is weird

It's a regional business journal, pretty damn common for them to report on local public figures in that manner.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Here is my salary calculations for next season. With my numbers we will need 1 forward, 1 starting D and 1 Backup D

Sebastian Aho	$9,750,000.00
Andrei Svechnikov	$7,750,000.00
Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Jordan Staal	$2,900,000.00
Evgeny Kuznetsov	$3,900,000.00
Jesper Fast	$2,400,000.00
Stefan, Noesen	$1,500,000.00
Martin Necas	$5,000,000.00
Jake Guentzel	$8,500,000.00
Jordan Martinook	$2,000,000.00
Seth Jarvis	$5,000,000.00
Jack Drury	$2,000,000.00
Brendon Lemieux	$775,000.00
/////////////////////	//////////////////////
Jacob Slavin	$5,300,000.00
Dmitry Orlov	$7,750,000.00
Brady Skjei	$7,000,000.00
Brett Pesce
Brent Burns	$5,280,000.00
Tony DeAngelo
Scott Morrow	$916,667.00
Dylan Coghlan
Frederik Andersen	$3,400,000.00
Stephan Martin
Pyotr Kochetkov	$2,000,000.00
Bonus
Retained
Total	$83,121,667.00
Cap Limit	$87,500,000.00
Remaining Cap Space	$4,378,333.00

A couple thoughts on first glance...

- Noesen will get paid considerably more than that by another team
- I don't see a world where Necas plays for $5M next year.
- Guentzel at 8.5 would be a discount and surprising. I think best we could get would be 9 and it'd have to be 8 years. But we'll see
- Martinook is at 1.8 right now, can't see us giving him a raise and we may even want him to take a bit of a pay cut, like 1.5-1.6. Or let him walk and slot in a ELC player
- Jarvis could be 5 or even less on a short bridge deal but I bet we lock him up for 8 years which would be 6.5m+
- No Chatfield???

 

[Unsustainable]

8x9m is what Guentzel is probably getting from us.

I doubt Necas would take under 7m, and likely is traded out.

I'd expect Morrow on defense and Nadeau / FUS in the forwards and Comtois taking Noesen spot and pay.

 

[mikeyfan]

A couple thoughts on first glance...

- Noesen will get paid considerably more than that by another team
- I don't see a world where Necas plays for $5M next year.
- Guentzel at 8.5 would be a discount and surprising. I think best we could get would be 9 and it'd have to be 8 years. But we'll see
- Martinook is at 1.8 right now, can't see us giving him a raise and we may even want him to take a bit of a pay cut, like 1.5-1.6. Or let him walk and slot in a ELC player
- Jarvis could be 5 or even less on a short bridge deal but I bet we lock him up for 8 years which would be 6.5m+
- No Chatfield???

1, I don't believe Noeson will be paid more as a primary 4th line player
2. I'm looking at Necas losing his arbitration case.
3. Guentzel may be 9. but with 4.3 Million that would still be doable.
4. Martinook is too valuable to Rod and I think 2 million for what he brings is on target.
5. Jarvis is the wild card do we sign him long term or bridge him until we get a little more needed cap space in say 2 or 3 years?
6. Chatfield. I don't think the Canes will pay more than 3 million a year for Chats therefore I figured he would get a better offer.

What I wouldn't mind seeing and I know a lot of you will hate this, but Trading Orlovo for another D man in the 4 to 5 milion range would free up money to keep Chatfield and maybe give Jarvis the long term he wants.

 

[Unsustainable]

 

[Unsustainable]

1, I don't believe Noeson will be paid more as a primary 4th line player
2. I'm looking at Necas losing his arbitration case.
3. Guentzel may be 9. but with 4.3 Million that would still be doable.
4. Martinook is too valuable to Rod and I think 2 million for what he brings is on target.
5. Jarvis is the wild card do we sign him long term or bridge him until we get a little more needed cap space in say 2 or 3 years?
6. Chatfield. I don't think the Canes will pay more than 3 million a year for Chats therefore I figured he would get a better offer.

What I wouldn't mind seeing and I know a lot of you will hate this, but Trading Orlovo for another D man in the 4 to 5 milion range would free up money to keep Chatfield and maybe give Jarvis the long term he wants.

Guentzel is at 4.5m right now, cap goes up 5ish, Guentzel at 9m uses that space

I think Necas gets moved and you lock up Jarvis for 8 years around 7m

GAJ contacts locked for 8 years to contend.

 

[Wolfpuck]

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

9 million until 38 is ugly.

Jarvis will be pushing 8 million in money now. I wonder if we agree to a 1 year deal to see if he repeats the performance before handing him 7.75-8.

 

[cptjeff]

I broke my no named merch rule when i bought a Tshirt when kk scored those 2 goals on Montreal.

i guess i was the bad luck or good luck (depending on your POV) that kk may not stay around long.

Although its fanatic so you can barely tell its a canes shirt anymore

And I mean, c'mon, it's a tee shirt. The $20 investment ain't gonna kill you if it goes south with the player. Jerseys I can understand that with, but everyone's favorite jerseys to see when they go to a game are the obscure guys from days past. As long as they don't do a heel turn, the old jerseys are better than whoever the star de jure is.

And yes, I also have a KK tee shirt. When they were running that deal to dunk on Montreal, they were out of the Ahos in my size. My player tees are thus Faulk, KK, and Ayres.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

And I mean, c'mon, it's a tee shirt. The $20 investment ain't gonna kill you if it goes south with the player.

And yes, I also have a KK tee shirt. When they were running that deal to dunk on Montreal, they were out of the Ahos in my size. My player tees are thus Faulk, KK, and Ayres.

Its a curse I tell you

 

[Unsustainable]

9 million until 38 is ugly.

Jarvis will be pushing 8 million in money now. I wonder if we agree to a 1 year deal to see if he repeats the performance before handing him 7.75-8.

You front load the shit out of it, so that years 7 and 8 can be traded if need be. NMC for the first 6 of the contract all with big bonus money, then last 2 with low salary.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Wasn't he optimistic about Fox too...and several trades and other signings that fell through? I don't believe any of that shit as more than just posturing until I see it confirmed

 

[A Star is Burns]

I think as long as you avoid too many guys locked up until their late 30's, you don't have a ton to worry about. I also think it's a touch easier to hide an overpaid forward that late into their career than it is a dman, similar to Benn and Seguin in Dallas. None of our long term deals currently should be a huge long term worry as they end by the mid 30's at worst or don't have crazy long term. I think if they can keep it to just Jaccob and Jake being the long term guys until the late 30's it's really not too risky. If you can't get the guys like Teuvo, Skjei, and Pesce locked up to mid-term deals at the most, that's why you move on. I think it's rather inadvisable to lock up those types to long term deals in addition to those other two.

 

[moses malone 12]

Wasn't he optimistic about Fox too...and several trades and other signings that fell through? I don't believe any of that shit as more than just posturing until I see it confirmed

RE; Fox, I need to let it go. dislike the guy and the Rangers. he was never going to sign here, but he would have great with us.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I think as long as you avoid too many guys locked up until their late 30's, you don't have a ton to worry about. I also think it's a touch easier to hide an overpaid forward that late into their career than it is a dman, similar to Benn and Seguin in Dallas. None of our long term deals currently should be a huge long term worry as they end by the mid 30's at worst or don't have crazy long term. I think if they can keep it to just Jaccob and Jake being the long term guys until the late 30's it's really not too risky. If you can't get the guys like Teuvo, Skjei, and Pesce locked up to mid-term deals at the most, that's why you move on. I think it's rather inadvisable to lock up those types to long term deals in addition to those other two.

Some guys legitimately crash-and-burn after a certain point in their career. Benn and Seguin didn't really do that. One year their games fell off from their peak rate, but then they both stabilized at around 0.7-0.8 PPG. That's not a terrible outcome by any means, especially because Dallas went on to become the single-best draft-and-development team of this decade.

 

[spockBokk]

I don’t see a world where the Canes pay Guentzel $9M per. I think they’d be looking at the JT Miller deal $8M per, mayybeee they offer max term. I’d certainly hesitate to give a 30yr old that much aav over that long.

 

[bleedgreen]

Optimistic means he’s gone in my Waddell to truth code book.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Contract until 38
The dude hasn’t hit 90 points before, only hit 80 once
He has injury history

Anything over 8 million is quite a risk. A lot of favorable contracts based on a small sample size with us

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The Guentzel stuff doesn't bother me too much. The pressure to re-sign will likely depend on how far this team goes in the playoffs. The better they do, the less pressure there will be from the fanbase.

 

[DaveG]

The Guentzel stuff doesn't bother me too much. The pressure to re-sign will likely depend on how far this team goes in the playoffs. The better they do, the less pressure there will be from the fanbase.

Unless Guentzel is having a Conn Smythe worthy run, which is about how he's been playing here to date.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

1, I don't believe Noeson will be paid more as a primary 4th line player
2. I'm looking at Necas losing his arbitration case.
3. Guentzel may be 9. but with 4.3 Million that would still be doable.
4. Martinook is too valuable to Rod and I think 2 million for what he brings is on target.
5. Jarvis is the wild card do we sign him long term or bridge him until we get a little more needed cap space in say 2 or 3 years?
6. Chatfield. I don't think the Canes will pay more than 3 million a year for Chats therefore I figured he would get a better offer.

What I wouldn't mind seeing and I know a lot of you will hate this, but Trading Orlovo for another D man in the 4 to 5 milion range would free up money to keep Chatfield and maybe give Jarvis the long term he wants.

Well allow me to retort. (just kidding mikey, nothing personal here lol just my opinions)

1. 36 and 37 points the last 2 years, he's a journeyman vet who has never gotten much $ on his contracts. He's surely going to want to maximize what he can earn while he's UFA with his value at an all time high. I'm sorry but his production is GREAT for a 3rd liner, let alone 4th line. We happen to be deep so he's been on the 4th line, but he has played up in the lineup and not been out of place, and he's been effective on one of the top PPs in the league. He's almost certainly gone and 100% not accepting 1.5

2. I suppose that is possible but I'd be SHOCKED if we allow things to get to that point. Piss him off and let him walk for nothing after playing on a 1 year deal? We either bridge him again, sign him long term or trade him is my thoughts.

4. He is valuable and Rod will want to keep him but the FO will play bad guy here. Martinook probably isn't in it for the $ and will want to stay. I just don't see why we'd give him a raise when we're going to be really really tight under the cap trying to keep a bunch of different guys. Could easily replace his production with an ELC. His leadership is why we'd keep him for 1.5-1.8 range.

6. lol I was mostly just giving you some grief for leaving him off your list while you add other players listed without contracts who I figured you'd let walk. We'll see on Chatty, I hope we can keep him but he definitely could price himself out of here.


I'm not against trading Orlov in theory but I just don't think it really helps us much. The difficulty in our decisions on most of the players we want to keep is not based on the cap situation next year but in future years. Orlov's cap hit next year just isn't really a big deal and he has proven his value as of late. If we let Skjei walk we will definitely need him here. I actually think there's a great chance we wind up keeping Orlov longer term, at a lower cap hit.