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Speculation: ROR and Tarasenko are going to UFA - What do you do (poll)
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Brian39
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Too many variables for me to answer the question in poll form.
The window is too open next year for me to say "well we have to trade one/both for something!"
I'd be exploring hockey trades for both with an eye toward upgrading the current (and medium term) roster. I'm not trading either for pure futures unless/until I've got a deal to flip those futures into actual roster players. Without knowing the trade market, I can't say whether I'd value the return or 1 more year of either/both more.
I would be actively shopping both if I was informed that they were turning down my best offer and testing UFA. Whether I trade both/either would be fully dependent on the return. I believe that both would have enough value that I'd wind up trading both of them.
The window is too open next year for me to say "well we have to trade one/both for something!"
I'd be exploring hockey trades for both with an eye toward upgrading the current (and medium term) roster. I'm not trading either for pure futures unless/until I've got a deal to flip those futures into actual roster players. Without knowing the trade market, I can't say whether I'd value the return or 1 more year of either/both more.
I would be actively shopping both if I was informed that they were turning down my best offer and testing UFA. Whether I trade both/either would be fully dependent on the return. I believe that both would have enough value that I'd wind up trading both of them.
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My position is basically maximize the short-term Cup window. So, it's entirely dependent on a return and how we use that cap space. I'd lean towards moving Tarasenko before ROR, I also could see both walking as UFAs and I'd be fine with that. We have the internal replacements to handle either one leaving, then it's up to Army for how he builds out the rest of the top 9 and roster with the additional cap space, knowing that a chunk will go to Thomas and Kyrou at the end of their deals.
Actively shop both, regardless of their UFA intents. I'd want ROR for no more than 3-years and Tarasenko for no more than 5. Both would need to come back on discounts from their current rate. If those terms aren't agreeable to their agents (and why would it be?) then they can be the Blues' own playoff rentals or shipped like Stastny and Shatty. Let's check back next trade-deadline and see where the Blues Cup-aspirations lay, unless they've agreed to sweetheart extensions already.
Right now ROR will probably end up at 55 points or less. If he puts up around 55 points this year and next year I wonder what type of contract he would be looking at
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Matthew Tkachuk? I thought he was going to be restricted this summer. He'd only be unrestricted next year if he signed a one year deal, right?
Brian39
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You are correct.
But his contract negotiation is going to be interesting. He's on pace for 100 points and his current contract is structured to set him up for an awesome 1 year deal. In order to keep his RFA rights, the Flames have to give him a $9M qualifying offer. There is speculation that he will just take his QO and then hit UFA as a 25 year old. I think he is most likely going to just use the threat of that as leverage to get all the money on an 8 year deal from Calgary. But he is set up perfectly to get himself to UFA as a 25 year old 100+ point player.
Personally, I don't have a ton of interest in Tkachuk given what his next contract will cost. The Tkachuks are unapologetically out to maximize their earnings and I don't expect a hometown discount to play in St. Louis. He will have a chance to become the 2nd highest paid player in the league. That player is currently Panarin. Tkachuk is hitting UFA 2 years younger than Panarin, whose career high was 87 points when he hit UFA. Tkachuk already has 89 points this season and he has 2 seasons eclipsing Panarin's career high in goals. Tkachuk is more physical and has better possession metrics. Tkachuk's resume is better than Panarin's was at the time he went UFA, his family notoriously wants to leave zero dollars on the table and he's hitting UFA at 25.
A large hometown discount on Tkachuk will be 7 x $75M and a full NMC.
I genuinely don't know how we would find the space to sign Matthew, Thomas and Kyrou at the same time.
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No. My thought process is that we let either ROR and/or Tarasenko go next year…. Let them walk and then look at him.
I dont feel he is going to sign long term with Calgary….. So. That is another variable.
I think a lot depends on how we perform in the playoffs. Do we get smoked in the first round by Minny or do we make the cup finals/conference finals and look good?
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Do you really think ROR will take a 3-4 year deal. No way. He will want 7 years at 7 million at a minimum. It will be his last contract. As important as he is to this team, no way do I give a 55 point per year player that kind of contract. He isn’t going to get any better than he is right now. I would trade him in the off season. Watching how Tarasenko and Thomas have played together this year, I’d rather sign Tarasenko.
The most likely scenario to me is that we end up keeping both of them and try to win again next year. Losing them in FA isn't losing them for nothing if you're in the playoffs during their final year and we're already paying them enough where moving their salary off the rosters also gives us options to replace them, whether that's going after Tkachuk, re-signing other guys, or going after someone else.
It's also unlikely the Blues would be able to move those players this offseason and acquire pieces who'd make a similar impact on the team's Cup chance for 2023.
Tarasenko getting moved seems more likely considering as far as we know his trade request is still on the table and he's certainly recouped enough value to give Armstrong a chance at finding a return if he needs to move him.
I have to feel it'd be very unlikely O'Reilly moves unless we're so far out of competing next season we are selling at the deadline. Do teams ever seek to move the player they recently made captain when they aren't selling at the deadline?
It's also unlikely the Blues would be able to move those players this offseason and acquire pieces who'd make a similar impact on the team's Cup chance for 2023.
Tarasenko getting moved seems more likely considering as far as we know his trade request is still on the table and he's certainly recouped enough value to give Armstrong a chance at finding a return if he needs to move him.
I have to feel it'd be very unlikely O'Reilly moves unless we're so far out of competing next season we are selling at the deadline. Do teams ever seek to move the player they recently made captain when they aren't selling at the deadline?
I do think if Tarasenko doesn't want to be traded anymore more (we don't know if he does or doesn't) that he would be the most likely of the two to take a more team friendly contract. ROR on the other hand seems like he would want to maximize his earnings in his last contract. I would like to keep them both for the next 2 years to really go for the cup
You don’t know that. None of us know what ROR will prioritize. He didn’t like Avs squeezing him when he was young so he played hardball. He is older now and has made lots of money and seems to like it here. Club obviously values him. He hated losing in Buffalo. If he thinks he can keep winning here where he is beloved, he couid very well take team friendly contract. I think that is reasonably likely scenario, but I don’t know. None of us know. But I’d bet that DA will have good sense by this summer which way ROR is leaning.
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We definitely keep them for next season while the Blues still have a good team that's capable of going on a Cup run, even if neither of them intend on signing extensions.
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I don't think we move any of the Defense contracts. Maybe Binnington is moved by then. Move Schenn, Saad, and Barbashev? I just don't see a world where we keep ROR and Tarasenko both while paying for rises in Kyrou and Thomas plus a top 4 LHD. Schenn and Saad both have NTC so they will be hard to move. Don't know what Perron will make on his new contract. The only person that will be easy to move is Barbashev
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My inclination would be to trade both.
On Tarasenko, it seems the bad blood (to extent that there really was any) has cooled, but I still don't expect him to necessarily be eager to stay after his deal is up. I expect Army has, and will continue to have, a read on whether he has any interest in staying longer-term at a price that fits with our cap structure. If not, I could see him in a deal that brings back a Top 4 LD, but that would necessarily have to include the ability of the other GM to negotiate the framework for an extension unless the player we're bringing back only has one year left as well. He's a PPG player again, and I would expect teams to be lining up for a chance to cut the line to nab him before he becomes a free agent if the price is right. Given the recent history, if there is any reluctance on his part to negotiate this offseason, Army should be asking for his list and taking the best deal he can find.
On ROR, I would expect he is going to be looking for a long-term deal (6-8 years) and I fear this would end up similar to the Backes situation. I don't feel like he will decline as quickly as Backes did, but as others have alluded to I feel like we've seen his best hockey already. If he's moving on at the end of next season, maybe we can move him somewhere that he is willing to extend and can get closer to market value back. Since he's signed one deal (offer sheet) with them already, I wonder if Calgary would be interested in him at his asking price to strengthen themselves up the middle in exchange for the RFA rights to Tkachuk if Tkachuk is unwilling to sign in Calgary long-term and instead is inclined to accept his QO and become a UFA in a year.
On Tarasenko, it seems the bad blood (to extent that there really was any) has cooled, but I still don't expect him to necessarily be eager to stay after his deal is up. I expect Army has, and will continue to have, a read on whether he has any interest in staying longer-term at a price that fits with our cap structure. If not, I could see him in a deal that brings back a Top 4 LD, but that would necessarily have to include the ability of the other GM to negotiate the framework for an extension unless the player we're bringing back only has one year left as well. He's a PPG player again, and I would expect teams to be lining up for a chance to cut the line to nab him before he becomes a free agent if the price is right. Given the recent history, if there is any reluctance on his part to negotiate this offseason, Army should be asking for his list and taking the best deal he can find.
On ROR, I would expect he is going to be looking for a long-term deal (6-8 years) and I fear this would end up similar to the Backes situation. I don't feel like he will decline as quickly as Backes did, but as others have alluded to I feel like we've seen his best hockey already. If he's moving on at the end of next season, maybe we can move him somewhere that he is willing to extend and can get closer to market value back. Since he's signed one deal (offer sheet) with them already, I wonder if Calgary would be interested in him at his asking price to strengthen themselves up the middle in exchange for the RFA rights to Tkachuk if Tkachuk is unwilling to sign in Calgary long-term and instead is inclined to accept his QO and become a UFA in a year.
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Trade a 31 y/o for an exceptional 24 y/o who is still progressing… I don’t see that happening. I see the Flames making him an offer he can’t refuse.
