Revisiting Shea Weber for PK Subban.

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Who do you take for the 2019/2020 season?

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[David Suzuki]

I think it's a wash at this point. Both have their injury concerns, Weber's contract is cheaper but longer. I think Weber looked better then Subban last season, but it could easily change the other way after this season.

 

[jetsforever]

I prefer Weber but I'd take Subban.

 

[Future GOAT]

Weber. He was better then and he's still better now.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

Wasn't a fan of the trade a few years ago but I'm ok with it now even though Subban is a little younger
Habs are better off with Weber both on and off the ice!

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Very happy with Subban over Weber in Years 1 and 2. Lots of fun videos and good PR from him too, so it was fun off ice as well as on the ice.

Year 3... well, we still don't know what happened there. Disastrous season for Subban. We just hope that whatever happened to him isn't something chronic or degenerative. If I knew he'd be healthy for 2019-20, I'd easily take Subban again. He looked good, finally, in April at least, so that's some hope. But the fact nobody is saying anything about it makes me suspicious.

End of the day, I guess I'd rather have a broken down Subban for 3 years than a broken down Weber for 7 years. At least Subban brings some fun off the ice.

 

[bobholly39]

Subban. Not close

 

[Trap Jesus]

Health + contract term still makes Weber's contract one of the worst in the league. Really doesn't matter if he's a better D-man than Subban at the moment.

Edit: If it's a magical world where we're looking at this year in a vacuum though I'd take Weber.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Just for next season I take Weber. However I take Subban overall only because his deal is more manageable and expires sooner.

 

[zharkenby]

Worked out pretty poorly for both teams IMO

 

[DaPhazz]

Weber will decimate Nashville's salary cap if he retires before the end of his contract, I guess they'll pay a good ransom to have him back and put him on LTIR

 

[Peter Puck]

I have changed my mind about this deal. It has really worked out well for the Habs. Plus Nashville will have a messy cap problem if Weber declines and decides to retire. Weber's contract has the potential to be really bad for the Predators in a few years.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Does anyone actually believe the NHL is going to make the Preds take a 24 million cap hit? I just don't see that happening.

The rule is so dumb to begin with.

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

Give me Weber

 

[Soundgarden]

Worked out pretty poorly for both teams IMO

Did it though? With Subban we were two games away from winning the cup with Colton Sissons and Freddy Gaudreau as our top 2 centermen, we won the Presidents' trophy and we've won our division.

Weber will decimate Nashville's salary cap if he retires before the end of his contract, I guess they'll pay a good ransom to have him back and put him on LTIR

I doubt that we'll end up paying that much if he does retire early.

 

[stopclickbait]

Subban easily, Montreal fans just need to let it go at this point.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Does anyone actually believe the NHL is going to make the Preds take a 24 million cap hit? I just don't see that happening.

The rule is so dumb to begin with.

Yeah, there's no way they can enforce that... well, they CAN, technically, bet there's no way they would because then you'd basically have to fold up the team. Poile is very careful with his payroll, I don't believe he would have handed another team the launch codes to destroy his team unless he fully believed there was no actual risk. He must have some assurances tucked away in his back pocket that they'd be able to avoid having the recapture penalty ever be enforced.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Worked out pretty poorly for both teams IMO

It sure doesn't seem that way. Every Habs fan I read here seems happy. So does every Preds fan. Habs fans seem to have got what they wanted - a leader who fits the more reserved personality of their team and management better. Preds got what we wanted too... a more dynamic player who brought a lot of enthusiasm and was a big part of our team making a trip to the finals and win a President's Trophy while being a Norris finalist. It could have worked out EVEN BETTER if the players had both been healthier. But it still worked out.

 

[Voight]

Aside from injuries Weber hasnt really declined but you have to go with Subban here.

 

[Sureves]

The question is worded in a way that it's encouraging people to pick Weber and to inaccurately suggest that the Habs did okay in the trade.

I voted Weber in the poll, because it's only asking about next season ignoring the years later in the contract where I have no faith that Weber will be a great and/or healthy player, and it's asking me who I would take next season, not who I think will be the better player next season. I truly want nothing to do with Subban's personality on my team (although it's the Sens so things couldn't really get any worse, can they?) as he really seems to wear on his teammates.

So it's Weber to answer your question, but Habs still got smoked in that trade.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Subban any day of the week. First two years of the trade pretty much speak for themselves with the Habs fizzling out while the Preds made deep playoff runs. This year it was closer on the ice with both guys struggling through some injuries. For the first two months after Weber returned he was incredible and looked like he found the fountain of youth, but the last 6-8 weeks or so he looked very much like a guy coming off consecutive knee and foot surgeries and missing a year in the last 2 months of the season. End of the day I'm going to bet on the 30 year old having a bounceback year over the 34 year old.

Really not sure where the idea Weber's game hasn't declined is coming from either, it's just patently false. I wonder if it's from Habs fans not watching Weber much in Nashville but Weber has clearly declined from his prime. He was never a speedster in his prime but going from average speed to below average speed makes a big difference when his bread and butter was allowing opposing forwards to "win" a puck battle for a split second and then vaporizing them. Now they just win the race to the puck cleanly if he doesn't break up a play at the blue line (which to be fair he's still unbelievably good at).

 

[habs03]

3 season since the trade. and Weber has been better 2/3 out of those years. And this suppose to be Subban prime years...

The trade was a toss up, and IMO it still is, the only reason it was "lopsided" was due to Mtl fans being emotional about the trade, leading to other fan bases taking them at face value on how bad the trade was.

Subban in his time in Nashville never lead the team in any TOI/G ESTOI/G PK/TOI... Weber has played better while facing those matches up as the cleary number Dmen on his team.

And now Preds are looking to move Subban....

 

[Kotkaniemi15]

The Habs won the trade. The Preds are treating PK like a cap dump and they’re trying to trade him already. Weber outplayed him this year and is a much better leader. PK is toxic. I wouldn’t have him back in MTL.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

I have changed my mind about this deal. It has really worked out well for the Habs. Plus Nashville will have a messy cap problem if Weber declines and decides to retire. Weber's contract has the potential to be really bad for the Predators in a few years.

It's actually great trading leverage for Montreal in the future. Near the end of Weber's contract, Montreal could threaten Nashville with demoting Weber to the ECHL where he would presumably retire instead and have Nashville incur a massive cap penalty.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

It's actually great trading leverage for Montreal in the future. Near the end of Weber's contract, Montreal could threaten Nashville with demoting Weber to the ECHL where he would presumably retire instead and have Nashville incur a massive cap penalty.

Lol. That would never happen.