Value of: Red Wings 1st in 2024

[dj Mahoney]

If we're dealing #15... I'm packaging it with something else to with the aim of landing a legit 2C. Not Elias Lindholm anymore because he signed the big extension... but a player like that. I don't remotely know enough about who is available at that price point and what other move would be necessary to make the roster fit... but I can tell you, the Red Wings do not need any other teams meh to garbage players. Regardless of if you think they fit the criteria for what Ogee said (the Dvorak or Jensen offers are f***in ridiculous).


You think Yzerman's job is at risk? lol.

Look at his draft picks after the 1st rd , PATHETIC is the first thing that comes to mind .

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Look at his draft picks after the 1st rd , PATHETIC is the first thing that comes to mind .

Because they aren't playing in the NHL yet? He's not a magician, but man, you're completely out to lunch on anything Detroit if this is your opinion. Yzerman's seat might be one of the coldest in the NHL.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Albert Johansson and William Wallinder ... bad?

Might want to add Anton Johansson to the list, he's probably just a shitter too.

Yzerman's had 24 picks in the top 3 rounds in his 5 years , 24 !!!! Embarrassing , he has to be as dumb as he sounds , tough to be . Signed how many free agents this off season , 10? Still no playoffs.

 

[PullHard]

Bookmarking this one

 

[FissionFire]

Yzerman's had 24 picks in the top 3 rounds in his 5 years , 24 !!!! Embarrassing , he has to be as dumb as he sounds , tough to be . Signed how many free agents this off season , 10? Still no playoffs.

I think you greatly overestimate the success rate of players outside the 1st round. Very few players from 2019-now picked outside Round 1 have played played a full season yet.

2019 - 7 players out of 62 (2 drafted before Detroit even picked)
2020 - 5 out of 62
2021 - 1 out of 64
2022 - 0 out of 65
2023 - 0 out of 64

So 13 out of 317 players have played a full season so far. That’s 4%. If we drop 2022-2023 it’s 7%. Drop 2021 and it’s 9%. Teams just don’t “hit” on immediate impact players outside Round 1. These guys usually take years to develop before they establish a roster spot. Saying Yzerman is on the hot seat because of later round drafting would mean EVERY SINGLE GM should be on the hot seat for equally bad results if not finding immediate impact players outside Round 1. Your expectations are very unrealistic.

More important is to not miss on your 1st round picks, and so far Yzerman has done a good-to-great job there with Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson all expected to have big roles on the team next year and Cossa, Danielson, Kasper, and ASP all meeting or exceeding expectations to date.

The real problem is that the drafting at the end of the Holland era was awful and left a team with little talent on the roster and a very weak pool of prospects. Holland’s last 4 drafts 1st rounders were Svechnikov, Cholowski, Rasmussen, Veleno, and Zadina. Svech, Cholo, Zadina are all out of the NHL or likely will be next season in Zadina’s case. Veleno and Rasmussen are depth players in the 3rd/4th line. That’s a lot of misses, 2 of them being top 10 picks. Yzerman started with nothing here. It wasn’t like Tampa where he had great young players/prospects (Hedman, Stamkos) or players (St. Louis) to build around or trade off. He had Larkin, Mantha, and Bertuzzi and that’s about it.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I think you greatly overestimate the success rate of players outside the 1st round. Very few players from 2019-now picked outside Round 1 have played played a full season yet.

2019 - 7 players out of 62 (2 drafted before Detroit even picked)
2020 - 5 out of 62
2021 - 1 out of 64
2022 - 0 out of 65
2023 - 0 out of 64

So 13 out of 317 players have played a full season so far. That’s 4%. If we drop 2022-2023 it’s 7%. Drop 2021 and it’s 9%. Teams just don’t “hit” on immediate impact players outside Round 1. These guys usually take years to develop before they establish a roster spot. Saying Yzerman is on the hot seat because of later round drafting would mean EVERY SINGLE GM should be on the hot seat for equally bad results if not finding immediate impact players outside Round 1. Your expectations are very unrealistic.

He's just trolling.

The only people who have Yzerman on anything but an ice cold seat are those who are reacting VERY viscerally to the team blowing a playoff spot this year and those who set arbitrary time frames for a rebuild to be perfectly done and it isn't yet. Regardless of seeing that the team is consistently improving and that the minors are getting filled with more talent and less complete plugs.

 

[dj Mahoney]

He's just trolling.

The only people who have Yzerman on anything but an ice cold seat are those who are reacting VERY viscerally to the team blowing a playoff spot this year and those who set arbitrary time frames for a rebuild to be perfectly done and it isn't yet. Regardless of seeing that the team is consistently improving and that the minors are getting filled with more talent and less complete plugs.

Okay yea I'm trolling !! Enjoy all the success under Yzerman ,,,he's a Dummy , have fun .

I think you greatly overestimate the success rate of players outside the 1st round. Very few players from 2019-now picked outside Round 1 have played played a full season yet.

2019 - 7 players out of 62 (2 drafted before Detroit even picked)
2020 - 5 out of 62
2021 - 1 out of 64
2022 - 0 out of 65
2023 - 0 out of 64

So 13 out of 317 players have played a full season so far. That’s 4%. If we drop 2022-2023 it’s 7%. Drop 2021 and it’s 9%. Teams just don’t “hit” on immediate impact players outside Round 1. These guys usually take years to develop before they establish a roster spot. Saying Yzerman is on the hot seat because of later round drafting would mean EVERY SINGLE GM should be on the hot seat for equally bad results if not finding immediate impact players outside Round 1. Your expectations are very unrealistic.

More important is to not miss on your 1st round picks, and so far Yzerman has done a good-to-great job there with Seider, Raymond, and Edvinsson all expected to have big roles on the team next year and Cossa, Danielson, Kasper, and ASP all meeting or exceeding expectations to date.

The real problem is that the drafting at the end of the Holland era was awful and left a team with little talent on the roster and a very weak pool of prospects. Holland’s last 4 drafts 1st rounders were Svechnikov, Cholowski, Rasmussen, Veleno, and Zadina. Svech, Cholo, Zadina are all out of the NHL or likely will be next season in Zadina’s case. Veleno and Rasmussen are depth players in the 3rd/4th line. That’s a lot of misses, 2 of them being top 10 picks. Yzerman started with nothing here. It wasn’t like Tampa where he had great young players/prospects (Hedman, Stamkos) or players (St. Louis) to build around or trade off. He had Larkin, Mantha, and Bertuzzi and that’s about it.

This makes absolutely no sense at all . Nobody has an ideal what kind of BS your getting at .

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'm out to lunch ? Listen to Yzerman speak and look at his picks ,,,,,,,,,,,,dipstick .
Antti Tuomisto Albert Johansson , Robert Mastrosimone ,Cross Hanas Theodor Niederbach , William Willander . Dylan James , Dmitri Buchelnikov . No wonder Wings have been so happless .

Buchelnikov has been great in the KHL at 20.

Johansson is on the Wings next season

Willander on the team the year after
Dylan James is 19 lol

You’re looking at 2nd round picks… they’re not expected to make the NHL early, if at all

 

[bernmeister]

Stevie Y has underwhelmed w/recent picks esp past top selecs ... howev, he is also someone w/solid track record including as GM/chief exec.
He is not perpetually cemented to his current gig, but he gets another 2 yrs min to rebuild, unless team is sold and new owner is a guy who decides to make a statement, regardless of how smart/stupid such impulsive gesture might be.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Stevie Y has underwhelmed w/recent picks esp past top selecs ... howev, he is also someone w/solid track record including as GM/chief exec.
He is not perpetually cemented to his current gig, but he gets another 2 yrs min to rebuild, unless team is sold and new owner is a guy who decides to make a statement, regardless of how smart/stupid such impulsive gesture might be.

Ummmmm..

Seider is arguably a top 3 pick in a re-draft of his year.
Raymond is probably the #2 pick in a re-draft of his year.
Edvinsson has come up and looked like a legit NHLer

Guys like Kasper, Danielson, and Cossa are either taking a while (because goalies take a while), or are drafted in the last two seasons. Kasper is probably going to be in Detroit next year.

He has NOT underwhelmed with top picks. He's done a f***in exceptional job with his first round picks with no lottery luck.

And he's got more than a "solid track record as a GM/Exec". He built the Tampa Bay Lightning who were probably the best team in the league for five years running.

He doesn't get forever... but any owner with a set of eyes sees how much they've improved since Holland left. And if Yzerman "is fired", it's gonna be a take a president's job or something overseeing the new GM.

 

[Lt Dan]

To LA; Detroit first rounder
To Detroit: PLD

You want PLD

 

[HabsAddict]

Add Barron and that may be of interest to Detroit.

2024 1st (25th OA) + Barron + Savard for 15th OA.

Way too much of a crapshoot in a relativly weak draft to trade that much for 10 spots.

Better to trade draft pick or more for a top 9. Players like Kalyev...

 

[FLAMESFAN]

I'd rather target Markstrom to fill the starter slot until Cossa is ready. He could probably be had for less than Ullmark/Swayman.

Buy out Husso and trade for Markstrom is an effective option.

You can send Calgary Husso & 1 of Comp/Kopp we'll send you Markstrom & Sharangovich
Would that net us both your 1st & Danielson?

 

[bernmeister]

Ummmmm..

Seider is arguably a top 3 pick in a re-draft of his year.
Raymond is probably the #2 pick in a re-draft of his year.
Edvinsson has come up and looked like a legit NHLer

Guys like Kasper, Danielson, and Cossa are either taking a while (because goalies take a while), or are drafted in the last two seasons. Kasper is probably going to be in Detroit next year.

He has NOT underwhelmed with top picks. He's done a f***in exceptional job with his first round picks with no lottery luck.

And he's got more than a "solid track record as a GM/Exec". He built the Tampa Bay Lightning who were probably the best team in the league for five years running.

He doesn't get forever... but any owner with a set of eyes sees how much they've improved since Holland left. And if Yzerman "is fired", it's gonna be a take a president's job or something overseeing the new GM.

I apologize if I was sloppy with how I phrased it; we are on the same pg here.
I said he has been uneven "past" top selections, which are solid hits at min.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Sanheim for 2024 1st and ASP

Or Farabee for same return

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Sanheim for 2024 1st and ASP

Or Farabee for same return

I don't have enough lols for this.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

You can send Calgary Husso & 1 of Comp/Kopp we'll send you Markstrom & Sharangovich
Would that net us both your 1st & Danielson?

No. God, I hate these kinds of topics because you have everyone trying to out and out rob the Wings.

 

[grewalwings]

What would it cost to get Zetterlund?

 

[FLAMESFAN]

No. God, I hate these kinds of topics because you have everyone trying to out and out rob the Wings.

Well, what do you feel it would cost to get out of those contracts & upgrade?
The 2 teams are in a good position for a trade. But we're looking for good picks & prospects only.

If you're OK with Comp/Kopp then could be as simple as Husso + for Markstrom

 

[PullHard]

Sanheim for 2024 1st and ASP

Or Farabee for same return

Travis Sanheim? Or Joel Farabee? Why would that ever even be considered?

 

[captainpaxil]

15 in this draft probably doesn't get Detroit immediate help unless they add. XMiddle six middle pair guys think late first in value

 

[dgibb10]

Hence why the pick is in a "package" as stated. I'm assuming it would probably include, at least, Husso and Berggren to give Boston an easy 1-year backup plus a good prospect forward who doesn't seem to have a clear path on to Detroit's main roster. That and the pick should at least get the wheels going on negotiations. Probably wouldn't be the final deal.

Husso isn't adding value to a deal, he's taking value away as a cap dump. Berggren could probably pay for dumping Husso tho.

You'd be competing with NJDs 10th overall pick++

 

[lilidk]

15 in this draft probably doesn't get Detroit immediate help unless they add. XMiddle six middle pair guys think late first in value

Pretty sure it's first plus, what ever will improve team

 

[Grinner]

What would it cost to get Zetterlund?

Make an offer.
Zetterlund and 42nd for 15th?

 

[FissionFire]

This makes absolutely no sense at all . Nobody has an ideal what kind of BS your getting at .

now I know you are trolling because that post was very clear and self-explanatory. Nobody is that obtuse unless it’s intentional.