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What's the point? It's $71.4M.
This one is on a short leash.
All that does is basically go into the season with a roster similar to this current roster minus Kessel. Which means the opening day roster would likely look something like this:
Kunitz-Sid-Dupuis
Perron-Geno-Hornqvist
Bennett-Bonino-Fehr
Plotnikov-Spaling-Sundqivst/Rust/Fehr
Perron - Adams - Kessel
Plotnikov - Malkin - Hornqvist
Kunitz - Bonino - Bennett
Sundqvist - Fehr - Dupuis
Maatta - Letang
Pouliot - Despres
Dumoulin - Cole
Fleury
Murray
Trade Kunitz and Scuderi for picks.
Perron (3.812) - Crosby (8.7) - Hornqvist (4.25)
Plotnikov (.925) - Malkin (9.5) - Kessel (6.8)
Dupuis (3.75) - Bonino (2) - Bennett (.8)
Sundqvist (.700) - Fehr (1.9) - Farnham (.575)
Porter (.575)
Maatta (.894) - Letang (7.25)
Pouliot (.863) - Cole (2.1)
Dumoulin (.8) - Lovejoy (1.1)
Erixon (.6)
Fleury (5.75)
Zatkoff (.6)
= $64,245,833
Amazingly enough if you get rid of Shero's bad contracts it fits. This is a silly exercise.
You can't just say "well JR had more cap to work with" without taking into account that league minimum went up and raises to Malkin and Letang ate up $4.55M of that ~7M difference.
That's true, it should be accounted for. Factor it into the equation. League minimum is fairly inconsequential though.
But you can't just say "trade Scuds for picks" either, because if it were that easy it'd already have been done. Someone other than Scuds would have to be moved.
At the very least you'd have to move one of Kunitz/Dupuis/Perron, IMO.
Then buy Scuderi out, don't sign Fehr, call up Wilson.
You are using this thread to try to make an excuse for Shero, but the only player causing an issue in creating this current roster at 64.3M is Shero's giant mistake.
Then you have less depth and are contending with less cap for years.
Shero's "giant mistake" is made out to be some unprecedented albatross here, but it's not. Any number of teams have similar bad contracts, and many have worse. Rutherford didn't have to deal with the repercussions of a truly terrible contract like, say...Semin here.
Then you have less depth and are contending with less cap for years.
Shero's "giant mistake" is made out to be some unprecedented albatross here, but it's not. Any number of teams have similar bad contracts, and many have worse. Rutherford didn't have to deal with the repercussions of a truly terrible contract like, say...Semin here.
Then you have less depth and are contending with less cap for years.
Shero's "giant mistake" is made out to be some unprecedented albatross here, but it's not. Any number of teams have similar bad contracts, and many have worse. Rutherford didn't have to deal with the repercussions of a truly terrible contract like, say...Semin here.
That's true, it should be accounted for. Factor it into the equation. League minimum is fairly inconsequential though.
But you can't just say "trade Scuds for picks" either, because if it were that easy it'd already have been done. Someone other than Scuds would have to be moved.
At the very least you'd have to move one of Kunitz/Dupuis/Perron, IMO.
So in this hypothetical world the cap is going to be 64.3 forever?
There's a very big difference between the Scuderi situation and a Semin like situation. Scuderi was not a need. In fact, I'd argue that at the time of the signing, Scuderi was the very last thing we needed. Meanwhile Semin was coming off a point-per-game season for a team with a weak offense that has trouble attracting free agents. Sometimes teams like that have to overpay. Now I'm not saying that the Semin contract was good by any means, but at least the logic behind it made sense.
This entire thread is odd to me. The cap goes up. That's what happens in the league. There have been times where Shero had cap space to work with and chose to just sit. It's not like he was cash-strapped his entire career here.
I'm at a loss of understanding what the point in defending Shero's honor is right now.
So because Shero made bad moves, we shouldn't give JR credit for improving the roster with his extra money? Maybe he should have been like Shero and overpaid to keep Niskanen or Orpik around.
The recent problems with our cap really started when Ray decided to sign Scuds rather than let any of our younger D men play in the low cap year. There were strong indications we were going to sign Clark McArthur, who ended up taking a 3.25m x 2 year deal with Ottawa and put up a 55 point season. But then the Scuds signing was announced instead.
This whole thread doesn't make much sense, Shero screwed up our cap situation, and put us in a position that we had to pay Dupuis and Kunitz what we did. Shero was here forever, he didn't have to clean up any messes. He inherited Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fleury and could only manage to win 1 cup. He even screwed up the 2nd overall pick in his first draft. What would Sid and Geno have done with Toews or Kessel all this time instead of Staal?
You're just going to have to face the fact that JR, a guy with a mixed record, managed to accomplish more roster wise in 14 months than Shero did in eight years is upsetting for Shero fans. But just be happy Sid and Geno finally have a chance.
No, in this world you're dealing with Scuderi's buyout hit for the duration of the buyout.
There are a number of differences between Scuderi and Semin's contracts, but none of them are more pronounced than the terms - one was manageable even in a worst-case scenario (which we're living through), and the other wasn't (which Carolina's living through). JR signed a player notorious for dubious work ethic and commitment to a gargantuan deal before he had even finished a half-year with the team. There's a very good reason why the guy got nothing but short-term deals from everyone but JR.
The point is that there's a pile-on effect that doesn't have much basis in reality.
When did Shero have cap space when he didn't have to worry about keeping the core together and there were good wing options that we passed up? And I swear to God, if anyone tries to talk about Clarke MacArthur, I'll punch them through the computer screen.
The cap goes up, the players salaries go up. It's not like he just gets an extra 7 mill vs. shero. Other GMs have that money to spend too.
Why?
The point is that several people have pointed out how much our depth has improved since the last regime. Shrewd moves have been part of it, but an extra 7 mil in cap space helps a lot more than most realize. I'm giving everyone an opportunity to show how well they could make a roster using what the last GM had to work with.