RD Timothy Liljegren - Ex-Rogle BK, SHL (2017, 17th, TOR) III

[AppsSyl]

AHL U19 Defensemen Scoring Since the 1994 Lockout (23 Years)

1.

Vyacheslav Voynov (D)

2008-2009

Manchester Monarchs

61

8

15

23

0.38

46

-3

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2.	Oliver Kylington (D)	2015-2016	Stockton Heat	47	5	7	12	0.26	14	-15
3.	Timothy Liljegren (D)	2017-2018	Toronto Marlies	25	1	10	11	0.44	10	10
4.	Hampus Lindholm (D)	2012-2013	Norfolk Admirals	44	1	10	11	0.25	16	5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

5.

Yan Golubovsky (D)

1994-1995

Adirondack Red Wings

57

4

2

6

0.11

39

-5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

...but apparently he is performing exactly how a mid-first round pick should, especially considering the Marlies are focusing on rounding out his defensive game.

 

[AppsSyl]

If you extend the age back to U20 rather than U19 and go by PPG (because of the variance in GP) for players who played more than 10 games in the last decade, Liljegren is the only player on the list that is U19, every other player was year older. There is some pretty good company on that list.

One would expect like most prospects (Kylington for example) that his offensive statistics will increase next season if he is there, with more ice-time and a greater role on the team, likely at least making a leap forward into the top 5 on that list (only 0.06 ppg increase would put him there).

Can anyone tell me what the top 5 D on that list all have in common?

1.	Erik Karlsson (D)	2009-2010	Binghamton Senators	12	0	11	11	0.92
2.	John Carlson (D)	2009-2010	Hershey Bears	48	4	35	39	0.81
3.	Oliver Ekman Larsson (D)	2010-2011	San Antonio Rampage	15	3	7	10	0.67
4.	Rasmus Ristolainen (D)	2013-2014	Rochester Americans	34	6	14	20	0.59
5.	Justin Faulk (D)	2011-2012	Charlotte Checkers	12	2	4	6	0.50
6.	Dmitri Orlov (D)	2010-2011	Hershey Bears	19	2	7	9	0.47
7.	Julius Honka (D)	2014-2015	Texas Stars	68	8	23	31	0.46
8.	Nick Leddy (D)	2010-2011	Rockford IceHogs	22	2	8	10	0.45
9.	Oliver Kylington (D)	2016-2017	Stockton Heat	60	6	21	27	0.45
10.	Timothy Liljegren (D)	2017-2018	Toronto Marlies	25	1	10	11	0.44

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[DieTomi]

Wish he'd score a goal soon, last one was all the way back in beginning of October. Not too worried though, I've liked his progression this year. His mistakes are dwindling down game-by-game although he always seems to have at least one bad brain fart per game.

 

[AppsSyl]

Wish he'd score a goal soon, last one was all the way back in beginning of October. Not too worried though, I've liked his progression this year. His mistakes are dwindling down game-by-game although he always seems to have at least one bad brain fart per game.

Lol! Have you even watched him play this year? Aren't you a Canucks fan? I would be very surprised if you followed the Leafs farm team.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Lol! Have you even watched him play this year? Aren't you a Canucks fan? I would be very surprised if you followed the Leafs farm team.

He is a Canucks fan who supposedly has Marlies season tickets.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

He's tracking pretty much how you'd expect a mid first to track.

Wrong. Liljegren's 11pts and +10 in 25 GP along with the icetime he's been logging in the AHL is a significantly higher level of performance than you'd expect from a mid-first round pick in his 18yo season.

 

[DieTomi]

He is a Canucks fan who supposedly has Marlies season tickets.

Where have I ever said I'm a Canucks fan? My family has had Marlies season tix for 5 years

 

[DieTomi]

Lol! Have you even watched him play this year? Aren't you a Canucks fan? I would be very surprised if you followed the Leafs farm team.

Yup have watched him play quite a bit

 

[Pavels Dog]

AHL U19 Defensemen Scoring Since the 1994 Lockout (23 Years)

1.

Vyacheslav Voynov (D)

2008-2009

Manchester Monarchs

61

8

15

23

0.38

46

-3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2.	Oliver Kylington (D)	2015-2016	Stockton Heat	47	5	7	12	0.26	14	-15
3.	Timothy Liljegren (D)	2017-2018	Toronto Marlies	25	1	10	11	0.44	10	10
4.	Hampus Lindholm (D)	2012-2013	Norfolk Admirals	44	1	10	11	0.25	16	5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

5.

Yan Golubovsky (D)

1994-1995

Adirondack Red Wings

57

4

2

6

0.11

39

-5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

...but apparently he is performing exactly how a mid-first round pick should, especially considering the Marlies are focusing on rounding out his defensive game.

AHL is a pretty unusual development path for 18 year old D-men. Liljegren is also a pretty unusual prospect. Can’t ignore that he’s had experience playing with men for years now. In that sense he should ’hit the ground running’ in a sense compared to kids transitioning from juniors.

 

[stickty111]

Yup have watched him play quite a bit

Maybe in your dream but not in reality

 

[AppsSyl]

AHL is a pretty unusual development path for 18 year old D-men. Liljegren is also a pretty unusual prospect. Can’t ignore that he’s had experience playing with men for years now. In that sense he should ’hit the ground running’ in a sense compared to kids transitioning from juniors.

Except he also has to contend with adjusting to North American ice and how that affects timing and decision making which the kids transitioning from junior don't have to contend with.

 

[DieTomi]

Maybe in your dream but not in reality

He's actually not too bad in my dreams. Real life is a different story

 

[stickty111]

He's actually not too bad in my dreams. Real life is a different story

He's actually pretty bad in your dreams because you want him too be, real life he is a pretty awesome player.
Fake Leafs fans wont admit it though.

 

[biotk]

Great piece in the athletic yesterday where Wheeler breaks down every shift played by Liljegren for a game. Wheeler generally chooses a loss when he does this because he feels this is a better representation of the complete player in a challenging game, so he chose the 5-2 Marlies loss to the Bears.

His breakdown, with about 30 short video clips matches my assessment in the several games I have watched Liljegren play for the Marlies, and is at complete odds with another poster who claims to watch Liljegren all the time.

I will be brief in talking about a lengthy and thorough article and encourage everyone to subscribe to what is a truly excellent service.

23 shifts. ~18 minutes. Mostly on the first unit at ES. Significant PP time and no SH time. 4 shots on goal. On the ice for none of the 4 ES goals against, on the ice for fewer than 5 shots against, and none of them dangerous. Nearly always made the smart play. Got the puck out of his own zone quickly and consistently. Mistimed one pinch attempting to hold the offensive blue line.

 

[Halla]

UPDATE: 1g,11a,12pts, +12 in 29 games

got a chance to watch him a few times recently. kid is playing very very well. just lost to the crunch 4-3 in OT but lilly had an apple and was a +2

 

[Halla]

Wish he'd score a goal soon, last one was all the way back in beginning of October. Not too worried though, I've liked his progression this year. His mistakes are dwindling down game-by-game although he always seems to have at least one bad brain fart per game.

1. he is a dman. goals should be the least of his worry. duncan keith has 1 goal in 63 games this year...it almost seems like you are giving a backhanded compliment here
2. brain fart? no. he still makes mistakes as does any dman who touches the puck as much as he does, but his decision making has come A LONG WAY just since the start of this season. not gonna act like i followed him a lot last year (just a little)

i'd honestly have to question whether you are really a leafs fan as well given the tone of your posts. my family had season tickets to the ice caps when they were the jets and habs farm team, but that doesnt make me a fan of either

 

[AppsSyl]

Great piece in the athletic yesterday where Wheeler breaks down every shift played by Liljegren for a game. Wheeler generally chooses a loss when he does this because he feels this is a better representation of the complete player in a challenging game, so he chose the 5-2 Marlies loss to the Bears.

His breakdown, with about 30 short video clips matches my assessment in the several games I have watched Liljegren play for the Marlies, and is at complete odds with another poster who claims to watch Liljegren all the time.

I will be brief in talking about a lengthy and thorough article and encourage everyone to subscribe to what is a truly excellent service.

23 shifts. ~18 minutes. Mostly on the first unit at ES. Significant PP time and no SH time. 4 shots on goal. On the ice for none of the 4 ES goals against, on the ice for fewer than 5 shots against, and none of them dangerous. Nearly always made the smart play. Got the puck out of his own zone quickly and consistently. Mistimed one pinch attempting to hold the offensive blue line.

I also read this piece and it was indeed very good and thorough with an honest analysis. It is too bad it is pay-walled, because it would be excellent for others to read who don't see him play with the Marlies, because it seems many are still going on pre-draft opinions of Liljegren, which over the course of the season have proven to be false.

 

[AppsSyl]

AHL U19 Defensemen Scoring Since the 1994 Lockout (23 Years)

1.

Vyacheslav Voynov (D)

2008-2009

Manchester Monarchs

61

8

15

23

0.38

46

-3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2.	Timothy Liljegren (D)	2017-2018	Toronto Marlies	29	1	11	12	0.41	10	12
3.	Oliver Kylington (D)	2015-2016	Stockton Heat	47	5	7	12	0.26	14	-15
4.	Hampus Lindholm (D)	2012-2013	Norfolk Admirals	44	1	10	11	0.25	16	5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

5.

Yan Golubovsky (D)

1994-1995

Adirondack Red Wings

57

4

2

6

0.11

39

-5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Scott Malkinson]

Putting him in the AHL was a brilliant move. I am quite pleased with his progress and how they've handled him.

 

[biotk]

Putting him in the AHL was a brilliant move. I am quite pleased with his progress and how they've handled him.

I agree. I have watched him play in 4 Marlies game and he has played well in all of them (he was rotated out in a fifth game I had tickets for). Despite being 1st in PPG and 2nd in pts among 18 year old D over the past couple decades as AppsSyl showed, I still think his offensive play has been better than the numbers reflect, and his defensive game has been significantly better than people felt it was last year. I feel that he has also become more physical over the course of the season and that fits well with aggressive style.

I think he has made far more progress, and far faster, than he would have back in the SHL or CHL.

 

[Arizonan God]

I think he’ll play most of the year in the AHL again next year, but don’t be too surprised if he plays a few games with the big Leafs next season.

 

[pezcore]

I think he’ll play most of the year in the AHL again next year, but don’t be too surprised if he plays a few games with the big Leafs next season.

Im confused on how the rules work when it comes to a player who is of age to play in a junior league but plays in the AHL due to politics between 2 different leagues. Can he be called up and sent down as the team wishes or does he get the 9 game trial and once sent down, can never be called up again?

Ive seen play vs the Rocket a few times this year and I think he's gone a long way since the rookie tournament.

 

[4thline]

Im confused on how the rules work when it comes to a player who is of age to play in a junior league but plays in the AHL due to politics between 2 different leagues. Can he be called up and sent down as the team wishes or does he get the 9 game trial and once sent down, can never be called up again?

Ive seen play vs the Rocket a few times this year and I think he's gone a long way since the rookie tournament.

Yup, basically the only difference between him and a 20 year old is that as long as he doesn't play that tenth game in the NHL his ELC slides

 

[izlez]

AHL U19 Defensemen Scoring Since the 1994 Lockout (23 Years)

1.

Vyacheslav Voynov (D)

2008-2009

Manchester Monarchs

61

8

15

23

0.38

46

-3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2.	Timothy Liljegren (D)	2017-2018	Toronto Marlies	29	1	11	12	0.41	10	12
3.	Oliver Kylington (D)	2015-2016	Stockton Heat	47	5	7	12	0.26	14	-15
4.	Hampus Lindholm (D)	2012-2013	Norfolk Admirals	44	1	10	11	0.25	16	5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

5.

Yan Golubovsky (D)

1994-1995

Adirondack Red Wings

57

4

2

6

0.11

39

-5

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

When two of you're all-time leaders have one goal, and one of them has six points, it's time to ignore the ridiculously specific stat.

He's a nice prospect having a nice year, and we can acknowledge that, but this is just ridiculous.

 

[AppsSyl]

When two of you're all-time leaders have one goal, and one of them has six points, it's time to ignore the ridiculously specific stat.

He's a nice prospect having a nice year, and we can acknowledge that, but this is just ridiculous.

The point is that so many people strictly stat watch and see that he has 12 pts in 29 games and think his season has been less than impressive, but don't seem to realize that being an U19 in the AHL and to be doing what he is doing is very impressive. The fact that the point totals for d-men in the last almost quarter century on that list are not high is testament to the difficulty of playing in the AHL as an 18 year old d-man.