Post-Game Talk: Rangers VS Capitals

[troyerlaw]

I posted earlier this week that I expected Caps to trade for a D and F. I still think BMac has another move in him before the TDL.

He has already done both - Hags (F) and Jensen (D). I’m sorta figuring we’re done. In fact, i’d prefer it. These were both smart, low-key moves, like Kempny last year. I’m ready to roll with this squad, even with 65 still on it. He and linemates playing noticeably better lately. (Well, at least he and Conno are. Eller could stand some improvement, seems like)

 

[maacoshark]

Of course!!!

Anyone but Samsonov or Alexeyev. They can have all the picks and anyone else they want.

That being said, that third line has shown me something in the last few weeks and I do like the moves the GMBM has made. Tinkering but not destroying chemistry.

The moves we made aren't major pieces. Minor upgrades for the present but long term I think we lose. Bowey and a 2nd for Jensen and a 5th is quite a bit. Bowey has more potential long term. He is almost 5 years younger. At age 28 I dont see Jensen's game progressing much. Even if Bowey doesnt pan out the 2nd round pick could. 2 prospects for a 28 year old dman that has more experience in the minors than the NHL seems a bit high.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Would you guys do Bura +++ for Stone?

Just curious if people are happy with the moves or want GMBM to all-in.

Yes but it would cost a lot more and I wouldn’t want to pay the addons.

 

[Bananas]

Yes but it would cost a lot more and I wouldn’t want to pay the addons.

Well considering the Duchene return we can safely say that a low first and two B prospects is the ballpark.

 

[txpd]

MacLellan doesn't need to go for broke. The team has all the pieces to win. They certainly don't need to trade off some primary part of the team or replace them in their role. Burakovsky has responded. The 2 adds bring some support to a weak area of the team and provide some depth.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Well considering the Duchene return we can safely say that a low first and two B prospects is the ballpark.

Oh back to Stone.....sorry.

Yeah not interested in paying that price unless an extension is signed.

 

[Bananas]

I don’t think they’ll move him for that. They’ll try to win a series finally.

Stone not Bread

 

[EYEuhFRAYtee]

I know it's one game, but was really impressed with Jensen.

Dowd spilled the beans in his post game presser, he isn't married to Jensen's sister or vice versa, their wives are good friends and they (Dowd and Jensen) were in each other's weddings.

Oh and who did Dowd head butt on the bench when he scored his goal?

 

[txpd]

Well considering the Duchene return we can safely say that a low first and two B prospects is the ballpark.

And where would you slot Stone in? Do you drop Wilson to the 4th line? Do you take Oshie off pp1 and or drop him the the 3rd line? Do you think the locker room needs to be upset like that?

 

[SpinningEdge]

Stone requires a very major move. Ain’t happening here. Dude is a RW and Oshie/Wilson hold down that spot for years

 

[twabby]

Their biggest need right now is fixing Orlov-Niskanen. It's untenable and I don't know what you do about it because both players have been bad individually and really bad together.

I guess you can just reduce both Orlov's and Niskanen's minutes and increase Orpik's and Jensen's minutes but is that really going to be enough? I'd like to see a 9-3 pairing at some point and see what happens.

Fixing Kuzy is another issue because his play away from the puck is putrid. Hopefully this is just a matter of effort and he'll straighten it out down the stretch because as we have heard from his comments he's less than committed for the full 82 games.

I think you move Burakovsky only if there is a deal for a legit top 6 player coming back in return. Stone, Kreider, etc. Don't trade him away for like Luke Glendenning or some other fringe player.

 

[Bananas]

And where would you slot Stone in? Do you drop Wilson to the 4th line? Do you take Oshie off pp1 and or drop him the the 3rd line? Do you think the locker room needs to be upset like that?

Do you always answer a question with a question? Yep, yes you do.

Nah they should bench Wilson and put Kuzy on waivers. Then trade for Stone and Donald Trump.

Even though my question was, “what do you guys think?”, the above is what I’m actually advocating.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Would you guys do Bura +++ for Stone?

Just curious if people are happy with the moves or want GMBM to all-in.

Overall, I'm happy with just the current moves but not opposed on real upgrades. We're in it to win it with aging core. Also, it depends on who the plus is by us.

 

[tenken00]

I dont know. For better or worse, our top 6 is pretty much set in stone

 

[Bananas]

Their biggest need right now is fixing Orlov-Niskanen. It's untenable and I don't know what you do about it because both players have been bad individually and really bad together.

I guess you can just reduce both Orlov's and Niskanen's minutes and increase Orpik's and Jensen's minutes but is that really going to be enough? I'd like to see a 9-3 pairing at some point and see what happens.

Fixing Kuzy is another issue because his play away from the puck is putrid. Hopefully this is just a matter of effort and he'll straighten it out down the stretch because as we have heard from his comments he's less than committed for the full 82 games.

I think you move Burakovsky only if there is a deal for a legit top 6 player coming back in return. Stone, Kreider, etc. Don't trade him away for like Luke Glendenning or some other fringe player.

I think you’re right that this colors the rest of the deadline for us. I think Stone gets us very close to TB in terms of roster stackage, but we’d still have to sort out the current gong show with Niskanov in order for it to matter. We’re not going anywhere with them getting tons of ice time and playing this poorly.

IMO it’s extremely likely that we’re done, was just curious what you guys would do in this situation.

 

[txpd]

Do you always answer a question with a question? Yep, yes you do.

Nah they should bench Wilson and put Kuzy on waivers. Then trade for Stone and Donald Trump.

Even though my question was, “what do you guys think?”, the above is what I’m actually advocating.

Ok...my bad. What I think is that the Caps don't need that player. The Caps have quality top 9 right wings.

I hope that was more to your point. Friends again?

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Their biggest need right now is fixing Orlov-Niskanen. It's untenable and I don't know what you do about it because both players have been bad individually and really bad together.

I guess you can just reduce both Orlov's and Niskanen's minutes and increase Orpik's and Jensen's minutes but is that really going to be enough? I'd like to see a 9-3 pairing at some point and see what happens.

Fixing Kuzy is another issue because his play away from the puck is putrid. Hopefully this is just a matter of effort and he'll straighten it out down the stretch because as we have heard from his comments he's less than committed for the full 82 games.

I think you move Burakovsky only if there is a deal for a legit top 6 player coming back in return. Stone, Kreider, etc. Don't trade him away for like Luke Glendenning or some other fringe player.

Yup. I think reason 1A for the Jensen trade was Bowey being unplayable as a 3RD and the Djoos injury but reason 1B was Niskanen's very poor season to date. Niskanen and Orlov are brutal and have been that way all season and they won't make any noise if those two don't get it together. Maybe 2 and 9 never recovered from the Cup run? If that's the case then reduce their minutes over the final 20 games and hope it's enough but if not, not good.

 

[tenken00]

I guess you can just reduce both Orlov's and Niskanen's minutes and increase Orpik's and Jensen's minutes but is that really going to be enough? I'd like to see a 9-3 pairing at some point and see what happens.

Interesting. Orlov has always needed that stay at home pairing to show well and Nisky's declining speed probably makes it harder and harder to cover for him this year. Because of that, its compounding their weaknesses as a pair exponentially. Maybe we do need to try out 9 and 3 and see how it goes

 

[txpd]

Their biggest need right now is fixing Orlov-Niskanen. It's untenable and I don't know what you do about it because both players have been bad individually and really bad together.

I guess you can just reduce both Orlov's and Niskanen's minutes and increase Orpik's and Jensen's minutes but is that really going to be 44? I'd like to see a 9-3 pairing at some point and see what happens..

I think you are going to see some situational adjustments. I think you are going to see more 74-44. I think you are going to see more 3-44 getting defensive zone starts against top opposing lines. I don't think 9 is going to penalty kill anymore.

The key will be watching Niskanen and Orlov's minutes. 2 played 24:30 and Orlov 22 today. Carlson played 28 in the second of a back to back. Ugh. So, the entire idea of watching their load be reduced may be completely off base.

Where do you go to get the ice time breakdown? es, pp and sh and so forth

 

[ovikovy817]

Only 3 skaters without a point today.
Niskanen, Hagelin and Jensen

But I like their game (talking about new guys)

 

[Blades of Steel]

Only 3 skaters without a point today.
Niskanen, Hagelin and Jensen

But I like their game (talking about new guys)

Hagelin scored, on us..

 

[marcel snapshot]

. Hagelin played good too but needs better finish.

Don't hold your breath for that. We got him relatively easily with 50% retained because the league thinks his finish is finished. He's uniquely valuable to us because his strengths - PK, defensive responsibility, forechecking, and motor rate - are all areas of deficiency for us so far this year. Goals from him are icing on the cake

 

[Raikkonen]

Hagelin is more experienced Stephensen. Kinda. Both can finish, but dont do tgat this season so there is potential!

Both can play with 19-77 in case of injuries which is good too.

Actually, right side is weaker now in terms of depth. Maybe Vrana switches then.

 

[Empty Goal Net]

Their biggest need right now is fixing Orlov-Niskanen. ///

Fixing Kuzy is another issue because his play away from the puck is putrid. ///

You could add Holtby, Kempny, and Eller to the list of players most in need of 'fixes.' Nicky's performance today was significantly better, we'll see if it lasts.

imo Caps don't really need add'l [different] players, they need their current roster to play up to their abilities.

 

[Portable Mink]

I cannot believe the inaccurate over reaction to Copley's game.
How many lucky goals did the Rangers get? What could he have done on at least half of them?!
Ridiculous comments by a whole bunch of people.

Game was all over the place. That happens sometimes.
What the hell was the ref doing when the jersey went over Niskanen's head? Get in there you idiot?
How was that not a blatant interference when Wilson was fore-checking hard and the defender literally skated in front of him deliberately so Wilson wouldnt hit his partner...
Jensen is great. Poise, skill and speed is a great combo for a defender. Will surpass Niskanen I agree.
Burky continues to shine. I called it a month ago that he looked very different. I'd only move him for Stone. His purposeful skating is so noticeable now too.
Good to see Nicky bounce back.
The Ovi shadow is something we need to work on in practice. We did ok with possession but I think we can do better still in those scenarios, and they WILL happen in the playoffs.
Change the goal to Ovi please

 

[maacoshark]

Stone requires a very major move. Ain’t happening here. Dude is a RW and Oshie/Wilson hold down that spot for years

I think to aquire Stone one of out top 6 would have to go the other way.