Prospects and Marlies Thread - April 2016

[BigWilly]

It has nothing to do with points.



It has nothing to do with skills. Nylander has elite skill but below average vision for a first liner, very similar to Kadri. Kadri never was and never will be a first liner.



My qualification is that I watch the game not the puck. Do you watch the ball when you watch football? If so then you don't know how to watch football because you are supposed to watch the line. The line knows where the holes will be before the quarterback even gets ready to move the ball.

All sports that move quickly are the same.

Back to hockey, if you watch first liners when they are Nylanders age they are obviously first liners. McDavid and Eichel are the most recent and most obvious examples. The Leafs haven't had many lately.

Again, Nylander has top level skill but he can't keep pace with first line NHL speed. Maybe second line. If you don't see it you aren't watching properly. The only way that I can explain it is to not watch where the puck is but where it will be in the future and then watch for players that know where it will be. Nylander isn't one of them.

I know everyone is entitled to their own opininon, but... Wow.

 

[burpsalot]

What a load....you can not see holes when watching the game on TV as the camera is on the puck.....

So you basically typed a useless opinion based on what you can see with a limited view as you claim you do not watch the puck and that is all that the TV shows the viewer.

The only think I hate on here is nonsense and you post a lot of it....

He's also told us he doesn't watch Leaf games or games of teams that are tanking.

So I guess his, "I've seen some of about 10 or so NHL games of Nylander and the highlights" probably means the highlights & maybe a few seconds here & there as he frequents his local Best Buy.

The lies are strong with this one.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Smells like the off-season in here..

Yup.

Yup.

 

[snizzbone*]

Lmfao

 

[TML Dynasty]

3 games and we're questioning nylander's ability to produce in the playoffs.

Welp that's enough hfboards for today...




what the **** is wrong with this forum nowadays

lololololol

 

[TML Dynasty]

No one's disputing your evaluation of his game at this time, yourself and others have made good points. Its your attempt to frame this as Nylander's peak that blows my mind. I mean you've actually just insinuated that he's hit his limit and he'll never be able to keep pace with 1st liners after 22 games in the NHL, after one of the most dominant AHL seasons ever for a sub-20 year old.

This is exactly what's wrong with 666's posts. I question some other statements too but to say with certainty that Willie cannot improve after this brief stint in the NHL seems absolutely ludicrous.

Im guessing he really is the devil and is just here to be controversial lol

 

[Nithoniniel]

I know everyone is entitled to their own opininon, but... Wow.

I agree with him though.

I also feel that the reason that Laine will fail is that his shot is seriously not at first line level, but then again I'm not sure about Matthews because I don't really think he can skate well enough. I mean, well enough to look good now but not at an NHL first line level. It's a bit same problem with Chychrun though.

My favorite prospect is Marner. He's just gonna bulldoze the league, and give Pierre heart attacks.

This is exactly what's wrong with 666's posts. I question some other statements too but to say with certainty that Willie cannot improve after this brief stint in the NHL seems absolutely ludicrous.

Im guessing he really is the devil and is just here to be controversial lol

Another thing that is wrong is that he pinpoints one of Nylander's strengths as something that holds him back. He's on a very short of players that repeatedly makes plays I didn't even see as possible.

A third thing wrong with 666 and his posts is that he seems to consider himself infallible, a trait that leads to ignorance as you can only really become knowledgeable by realizing the limits of what you know.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I agree with him though.

I also feel that the reason that Laine will fail is that his shot is seriously not at first line level, but then again I'm not sure about Matthews because I don't really think he can skate well enough. I mean, well enough to look good now but not at an NHL first line level. It's a bit same problem with Chychrun though.

Really?? Surprises me. I haven't seen much of his play but hear people rave about his shot. Maybe I missed the sarcasm?

 

[SprDaVE]

My new favourite line has to be "I don't watch the puck, I watch the game."

 

[Christ]

I know everyone is entitled to their own opininon, but... Wow.

I don't know, the way 666 makes his arguments makes me think he may be a professional NHL scout in disguise...might even be working for the Oilers!

 

[Nithoniniel]

Really?? Surprises me. I haven't seen much of his play but hear people rave about his shot. Maybe I missed the sarcasm?

There was so much sarcasm there that all the little sarcasms probably fought each other to death as you read it, so I understand that you missed it.

My new favourite line has to be "I don't watch the puck, I watch the game."

Sometimes I focus so intently on the puck that I don't even notice that the game has ended and I have followed the guy who got it as a souvenir home.

 

[gabeliscious]

Really?? Surprises me. I haven't seen much of his play but hear people rave about his shot. Maybe I missed the sarcasm?

maybe?

 

[TML Dynasty]

There was so much sarcasm there that all the little sarcasms probably fought each other to death as you read it, so I understand that you missed it.



Sometimes I focus so intently on the puck that I don't even notice that the game has ended and I have followed the guy who got it as a souvenir home.

lmao sorry bud

The 'my fav prospect is Marner' that made me think you were serious.....I love the kid. 'Bulldoze the league tho'.....I have no excuse

 

[613Leafer]

Back to hockey, if you watch first liners when they are Nylanders age they are obviously first liners. McDavid and Eichel are the most recent and most obvious examples. The Leafs haven't had many lately.

Pavelski, Datsyuk, ROR, H. Sedin, Giroux, etc were all "obviously" NHL first liners by age 19?

Interesting.

 

[666]

Pavelski, Datsyuk, ROR, H. Sedin, Giroux, etc were all "obviously" NHL first liners by age 19?

Interesting.

I don't understand why people don't understand what I'm saying but either way it's on me.

What I am saying is that compared to other players in the past, Nylander does not exhibit the vision to be a future first liner. Players his age continue to develop a bit more but most of it's there and we can see that he won't be a first liner IN THE FUTURE based on his vision today, compared to players in the past.

I've used the example of Kadri a few times but it gets ignored but they are very similar. Not similar now but similar when they first played in the NHL. And yes Kadri might have been older but it doesn't matter, vision is vision.

Second liners, that's it and that's not a bad thing.

 

[Pholus]

Pavelski, Datsyuk, ROR, H. Sedin, Giroux, etc were all "obviously" NHL first liners by age 19?

Interesting.

Someone should tell Jamie Benn that he's not actually a 1st liner.

 

[Stats01]

I don't understand why people don't understand what I'm saying but either way it's on me.

What I am saying is that compared to other players in the past, Nylander does not exhibit the vision to be a future first liner. Players his age continue to develop a bit more but most of it's there and we can see that he won't be a first liner IN THE FUTURE based on his vision today, compared to players in the past.

I've used the example of Kadri a few times but it gets ignored but they are very similar. Not similar now but similar when they first played in the NHL. And yes Kadri might have been older but it doesn't matter, vision is vision.

Second liners, that's it and that's not a bad thing.

how is Nylander like Kadri though? You throw out these comparables and bring up Nylander's vision again but there is no substance to any of this. This is all based off your own opinion, which a lot of people are disagreeing with you. You are right about one thing though and this is on you...you're failing at explaining your flawed logic. Kadri didn't dominate a men's league at the age of 17-18 years old like Nylander did.

 

[Stats01]

Also Kadri was brought up as a winger or at the very least played mostly as a winger in junior and only over the past few years or so has been learning to be a C. Nylander from the get go has been a C so he's had way more responsibility. The comparison of the 2 is so bogus.

 

[Shwaguy*]

I don't understand why people don't understand what I'm saying but either way it's on me.

What I am saying is that compared to other players in the past, Nylander does not exhibit the vision to be a future first liner. Players his age continue to develop a bit more but most of it's there and we can see that he won't be a first liner IN THE FUTURE based on his vision today, compared to players in the past.

I've used the example of Kadri a few times but it gets ignored but they are very similar. Not similar now but similar when they first played in the NHL. And yes Kadri might have been older but it doesn't matter, vision is vision.

Second liners, that's it and that's not a bad thing.

You're arguments get ignored because they are awful. Kadri has a wet noodle for a shot and Nylander has a laser.

Nylander has great vision too btw. You are factually wrong on that.

 

[Bullseye]

Nylander does not exhibit the vision to be a future first liner.

Couldn't be more incorrect. Nylander has outstanding vision.

 

[William Hylander]

Also Kadri was brought up as a winger or at the very least played mostly as a winger in junior and only over the past few years or so has been learning to be a C. Nylander from the get go has been a C so he's had way more responsibility. The comparison of the 2 is so bogus.

Kadri was a center in the OHL, he was moved to wing in the AHL, and tried at wing when he had a brief tryout in the NHL.
However Kadri played his best at center always.

Nylander has had a similar path, he played at Center mostly in Sweden but at first in the AHL he played wing. In the NHL he didn't play wing however. The main difference is that Nylander is progressing a little faster than Kadri. At this point Kadri was playing wing due to Ron Wilson not liking his off the puck play.

 

[Morgs]

There was so much sarcasm there that all the little sarcasms probably fought each other to death as you read it, so I understand that you missed it.



Sometimes I focus so intently on the puck that I don't even notice that the game has ended and I have followed the guy who got it as a souvenir home.

This killed me

 

[Stats01]

Kadri was a center in the OHL, he was moved to wing in the AHL, and tried at wing when he had a brief tryout in the NHL.
However Kadri played his best at center always.

Nylander has had a similar path, he played at Center mostly in Sweden but at first in the AHL he played wing. In the NHL he didn't play wing however. The main difference is that Nylander is progressing a little faster than Kadri. At this point Kadri was playing wing due to Ron Wilson not liking his off the puck play.

ohh then thank you for the correction, I could've sworn Kadri played W in junior lol

 

[Muston Atthews]

Couldn't be more incorrect. Nylander has outstanding vision.

Nylander, no vision? What?

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Nylander's vision is elite. Guy's off his rocker. The seams he finds for passes don't exist when he sees them. He thinks and sees the game in advance. His play is a lot like a QB who anticipates his receivers and puts the ball where they will eventually be.