The contract spot makes sense to me and the redundancy of having 2 4th line centersMe too .. I mean I don't know if he would have cracked the Leafs roster as he has done in Colorado, but he would have been nice for depth as well as give the Leafs potential 4C options like with Goat.
I mean maybe they didn't see anything but a 4C as his ceiling, and with the Goat already around, perhaps they didn't want to spend a contract spot on him?
The contract spot makes sense to me and the redundancy of having 2 4th line centers
To be fair Toninato isn't lighting it up. They both have 1 point and goat has less games playedUnfortunately we may have picked the wrong one though
Gauthier hasn't been good and he's running out of time
To be fair Toninato isn't lighting it up. They both have 1 point and goat has less games played
Good to see Borgman back in the lineup for the Marlies today
Agreed about the 4th line duties and I haven't watched the Av's enough to say who's better so I will call myself unqualified to judge who's better thereI'm not worried about points in our 4th line center
All I care about is can he defend competently getting tough zone starts and does he have good possession numbers and tilt the ice in our favor?
Gauthier doesn't do either
Borgman coming back is great news, he needs big minutes and PK time just in case we need him again
I don't think we will see Gauthier up again, barring injuries. I can even see him released if contracts become an issue. I feel the Goat blew his last chance up here, he actually got worse with each game.
I think that injury took a toll on his skating which was just NHL level before it happenedI don't think we will see Gauthier up again, barring injuries. I can even see him released if contracts become an issue. I feel the Goat blew his last chance up here, he actually got worse with each game.
Agreed about the 4th line duties and I haven't watched the Av's enough to say who's better so I will call myself unqualified to judge who's better there
I think I can see Borgman as a piece we will try to groom as a regular top 6 guy. I like what he brings just needs a little polish to his game
I still wouldn't mind getting some more centres into the system and try to develop one that could supplant Kadri down the line.
For once though it feels like the prospect pool isn't in dire need of a particular type of player. Now they just have to keep building that depth in all types. Centres, powerfowards, d-men, goalies. Definitely a good time to just keep drafting the BPA.
To be fair Toninato isn't lighting it up. They both have 1 point and goat has less games played
Good to see Borgman back in the lineup for the Marlies today
Based on what exactly? 37 games. If you watched marner for the first 37 games this year you would say the same thing.... I've hated gauthier since the moment he was drafted, but the guy will be an NHL player, you've got that one wrong.Gauthier has not shown that he’s nhl caliber. And honestly, I don’t think he ever will.
This might sound strange but we are deeper than Colorado at C especially with Moore and Aaltonen so goat getting a cup of coffee here is good even if it was only to see what we have in himBorgman needs to play, he's been useful but getting 10 minutes a night just isn't enough for a kid his age if we want him to be more than he is now
I haven't really watched the Av's either but he'd have to be pretty bad to be worse than Gauthier this season
With overseas and prospect signings Gauthier might be getting into dangerous territory especially as Aaltonen looks better to me
Hmm so it seems like the goat was maybe a smidge better?Yeah Toninato's stats aren't that impressive IMO. He's got a nice CF @ 55.8% but the production offensive is meek, his face-off % isn't that great (45%) and he's being sheltered with 63% o-zone starts.
He's also averaging less than 8 minutes per game too .. He also doesn't kill penalties.
While Gauthier's CF is poor at 38% or so, he's also getting 70% d-zone starts... And is almost 50% on the draw.
For the Goat IMO it all comes down to his skating/speed in terms of how much of an NHLer he'll be. Everything else is fine for a fourth line centre.
I hope you're right. I've been in his corner from the start but if he can't bounce back from that injury and regain his skating level from last year I think he will struggle to make the teamBased on what exactly? 37 games. If you watched marner for the first 37 games this year you would say the same thing.... I've hated gauthier since the moment he was drafted, but the guy will be an NHL player, you've got that one wrong.
This might sound strange but we are deeper than Colorado at C especially with Moore and Aaltonen so goat getting a cup of coffee here is good even if it was only to see what we have in him
Borgman needs minutes as you said on the pk too will be huge for him
Dermott has been rising in ok minutes and total toi so you know Babcock likes what he sees.If Borgman wants a regular gig he's got to kill penalties, same for Dermott, Babcock really values that in bottom pairing guys and why Polak still has a job
We're about to really hit a crunch contract wise and we are going to have to be ruthless about who's staying, if Aaltonen is better and Gauthier's skating doesn't improve he's in serious trouble imo
Dermott has been rising in ok minutes and total toi so you know Babcock likes what he sees.
I think with Hainsey Rielly Dermott and Z Borgman will be able to make it even without being a premiere penalty killer. I would be happy with a safe skilled stay at home guy that cam move the puck in a variety of ways
I think we are also building a D that doesn't need a 25 minute muncher; defense by comity though I also think Rielly can become a 25 minute a night playerIf he can PK and take some of the load off Hainsey I think we'd be better for it, Hainsey has looked like he's showing some signs of overuse recently
We don't have that one guy capable of eating 25+ minutes so the more work we can spread over everybody the better
Soshnikov with a goal at the Marlies game to, upping that trade value
I think we are also building a D that doesn't need a 25 minute muncher; defense by comity though I also think Rielly can become a 25 minute a night player
polak can't even skate and hes on the team, if goat can be a 60% draw man and kill penalties he'll be on the team.I hope you're right. I've been in his corner from the start but if he can't bounce back from that injury and regain his skating level from last year I think he will struggle to make the team
Ya it would be nice tobhave that luxury but I don't think it will make or break Borgman's chance to crack the roster full timeThat's why bottom pairing guys like Borgman need to be able to PK, that's time top 4 players can spend playing 5v5 instead of killing penalties
Marlies up 3-2
Soshnikov Rychel and Greening with the goals
Polak is fast in a straight line. No edges to speak of though but he pivots fine and has his spacing down pretty well. It's not like he gets walked like Phaneuf didpolak can't even skate and hes on the team, if goat can be a 60% draw man and kill penalties he'll be on the team.