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Bicycle Repairman said:And what happens when the NHLPA decertifies Chris Clark's agent and he can't represent his other clients?
They can't.
Bicycle Repairman said:And what happens when the NHLPA decertifies Chris Clark's agent and he can't represent his other clients?
You sure they can?Bicycle Repairman said:Are you sure about that?
Some say they walk amongst us, but that's neither here nor there...mackdogs said:...when the martians invade?
Bicycle Repairman said:If we're discussing players crossing the line, surely this effects their agents too, no? It's grist for the mill.
Does anyone think the NHLPA will just sit idly by and let all this happen without ramifications?
I'd be suprised if they did that. If the PA thought they were getting no love from the fans now...Tom_Benjamin said:Or they could play all year and then go on strike just before the playoffs.
Tom_Benjamin said:There is zero chance. If the NHLPA wants to be really nasty, all the players will report. Then a different team will go on a rotating strike. Every week it could be someone else. How hard would it be to sell tickets if the fans don't know from week to week whether the team will play?
Tom
Cawz said:I'd be suprised if they did that. If the PA thought they were getting no love from the fans now...
Well, most people are just frustrated. I lost a lot of respect for the players that are playing elsewhere. I know people that have had their hockey careers disrupted by this, so I have a vested interested in that aspect of it. But I understand that they all chose a temporary career playing a super fun sport, so they have to accept the risks involved.Tom_Benjamin said:I think that is what bothers me most about the tenor of the remarks on this board. I admire hockey players for their skill and for their courage. I'm glad the best 500 players in the world make millions. They have overcome such incredible odds to make it they deserve every penny they can get. I've never met a hockey player that I have not liked as a person. I'd much, much rather see Ed Jovanovski get my money than John McCaw. Okay, that's a minority view.
But I can't understand hockey fans expressing such vitriol towards hockey players. If I hated them as much as some who post here, I wouldn't be a hockey fan.
Cawz said:Well, most people are just frustrated. I lost a lot of respect for the players that are playing elsewhere. I know people that have had their hockey careers disrupted by this, so I have a vested interested in that aspect of it
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Theyre both involved man. Blame both sides.bling said:What can be more of a vested interest than to have ones livliehood taken away? I am presently out of a job because the Owners chose to lock the players out.
WHurricane16 said:I've been sick of your act for about a couple of weeks now. You talk a good game, then you stoop to silly drivel.
Just shut the hell up.
Cawz said:So to answer your post (its funny how threads never seem to stay on the titled topic) I dont think the players deserve the vitriol. Some do, but for the most part it should be saved for the people in charge. Most players just want to play hockey.
Yes and someone as smart as Trevor should not pen an article in THN telling us a luxury tax is wonderful, just like baseball. If baseball is where we are headed then i'll be happy to stay locked out for as long as it takes for the owners to get what they want. I have no problem with any of these guys making money but the owners deserve cost certainty for the investment they have made. Some owners do not deserve cost certainty they deserve a kick in the ass but same could be said for some players. There just has to be a reasonable solution and if it takes two years i'm willing to wait until they get it right.Tom_Benjamin said:Don't kid yourself. The players are in charge. Trevor Linden is one of the finest people I've had the pleasure to meet. He is very smart. He knows exactly what is going on. Goodenow and Saskin work for the players. It isn't the other way around.
I think this is very on-topic. The title of the thread is "Pronger the Idiot". On the other hand, there is this Chris Pronger.
Tom
Bicycle Repairman said:Again, (and I'm sure I will have to countlessly repeat this because some continue to mis-use the word, for that is the burden I bear) those particular NHLers you mention are not playing in leagues having a labor dispute, now are they?
now who is it that they play for?... it's surely not the nhl at the moment, so therefore you calling them 'nhlers' is surely misusing the word/term is it not? obviously such a league isn't having a labor dispute or else they wouldn't be playing now would they, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out
Please do take care in the future in using words that properly describe their meaning. Thank you.
I see.
Who's "on strike?" Again, do employ correct terminology. It would make your arguments much more credible.
Perhaps those CHLers should organize then? Nobody should be underpaid simply because they enjoy their job. That's called exploitation.
NataSatan666 said:
We have ourselves a winner. How people have turned against the players so bad is beyond me.
I.am.ca said:The NHL players should not be allowed to play over in Europe. They are soo dead set on calling guys that cross the line scabs, then what are the jackasses over in Europe? High Priced Scabs?
NHL is stupid and crap. I've started to become a CHL fan, at least these guys aren't going on strike cuz they dont make enough money, they play because they love the sport.
Splatman Phanutier said:... I'd tell Pronger to #%^$ off and go some tissues with his $10 million a year.
If I'm someone like Chris Clark (for example), I'm looking at how much I stand to lose this year and how much I stand to lose in the future vs. how much I have to gain (if any) for my holdout.
I'll bet there are 10 times as many Chris Clark's out there as there is Whiner Chris.
Tom_Benjamin said:I think that is what bothers me most about the tenor of the remarks on this board. I admire hockey players for their skill and for their courage. I'm glad the best 500 players in the world make millions. They have overcome such incredible odds to make it they deserve every penny they can get. I've never met a hockey player that I have not liked as a person. I'd much, much rather see Ed Jovanovski get my money than John McCaw. Okay, that's a minority view.
But I can't understand hockey fans expressing such vitriol towards hockey players. If I hated them as much as some who post here, I wouldn't be a hockey fan.
Tom
Rob Paxon said:The difference is huge.
In one case you're talking about what basically amounts to scab players (even though it is a lockout, not a strike... they are locked out because of their collective refusal, so it is the same concept). In the other case you're talking about players who go to a league and earn a roster spot over less talented players.
Tom_Benjamin said:There is zero chance. If the NHLPA wants to be really nasty, all the players will report. Then a different team will go on a rotating strike. Every week it could be someone else. How hard would it be to sell tickets if the fans don't know from week to week whether the team will play?
Or they might come back and then pull the pin in January when replacements will be impossible again. Or they could play all year and then go on strike just before the playoffs.
Tom
oilers_guy_eddie said:For any of those plans to come into play, the NHLPA would first have to accept an agreement the owners find acceptable. I mean, they can't go on strike while they're locked out, right?
If you offered the owners a screwed up season in return for getting the deal they want, I think they'd probably jump at it.
No, they're legal terms describing vastly different situations.garry1221 said:on strike, locked out not too big of a difference, just depensd of what side of the table you're looking from,
garry1221 said:one last thing. you saying the chl should organize so they can get paid far better and become greedy imbeciles..... why not go one better, all HS and college players should be paid too right?.. they play and entertain the fans right?
dawgbone said:Not sure what the difference is between replacement players taking their jobs, and them taking jobs away from guys in Europe...
When someone figures that out, let me know.