B-Sens Playoffs Round 1 - Belleville Senators vs Rochester Americans

[Icelevel]

Allowing Dell to crush us is very typical sens. We never put down the teams villains. It’s in our DNA. And I think the only way to exorcise this demon is to create a team so evil that we are the villain

He needs to be lit up with goals and punches. One of the two will suffice.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Carkner beating the shit out of Boyle was an all time favourite moment for me.

Yeah and then we lost the series.

He needs to be lit up with goals and punches. One of the two will suffice.

We can’t. We just can’t. If he didn’t do what he did to batherson maybe we do.

 

[Xspyrit]

The sens fifth center is the b sens fourth center.

Still have no idea how he was able to get a 200 K$ AHL salary. His agent must be JP Barry or Craig Oster

How do you give up a 3-0 lead in the third, is the more important question.

This needs to be addressed.

We have been building this for 5 years. Character.

 

[devbouz12]

Embarrassing loss

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Yeah and then we lost the series.

Small victories.

 

[OD99]

Dorion’s fault.

Melnyk's fault.

Just one of those things...maybe Gus getting injured had something to do with it?

Didn't get to watch the game but did we just sit back and let them attack?

 

[starling]

If we lose this series I hope JJP deals the final blow.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I must say...this loss bothered me

 

[Cosmix]

How do you give up a 3-0 lead in the third, is the more important question.

This needs to be addressed.

Many things need to be addressed.

 

[SENATOR]

Well....the head coach plays his"identity" lines a lot. Not enough of Sokolov and there may be just one more - Thompson, who is skilled enough. Those "identity" players are not even good for AHL. As I understand Troy Mann wants skilled players to be like them and play like them. Well, skilled players with Amercs just crashed those "identities". I can not believe in the 21 century you can still go with Don Cherry Boston Bruins crap to win the cup. Never happened in 20 years. Even then Orr played most of the time.

 

[Korpse]

Well....the head coach plays his"identity" lines a lot. Not enough of Sokolov and there may be just one more - Thompson, who is skilled enough. Those "identity" players are not even good for AHL. As I understand Troy Mann wants skilled players to be like them and play like them. Well, skilled players with Amercs just crashed those "identities". I can not believe in the 21 century you can still go with Don Cherry Boston Bruins crap to win the cup. Never happened in 20 years. Even then Orr played most of the time.

Are there TOI stats somewhere? I would be surprised if Sokolov along with Reinhardt weren't at the top among forwards. Not that Reinhardt is the most skilled but he was one of the better players last night. Honestly lines 1-3 are fairly equal all things considered. With the exception of Wedman, the forwards are a solid group, they lack top end talent but I don't know that you can blame Mann for that.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Yeah and then we lost the series.


We can’t. We just can’t. If he didn’t do what he did to batherson maybe we do.

Rangers we’re president trophy winners and that series went 7 games

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Are there TOI stats somewhere? I would be surprised if Sokolov along with Reinhardt weren't at the top among forwards. Not that Reinhardt is the most skilled but he was one of the better players last night. Honestly lines 1-3 are fairly equal all things considered. With the exception of Wedman, the forwards are a solid group, they lack top end talent but I don't know that you can blame Mann for that.

Probably need a stats package of some kind .. SportLogiq InStat .. I have never found any

 

[OD99]

Lodin and Greig to the rescue tomorrow I hope.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Based on Mann's comments it sounds like some of the players that while some players thrived, others struggled in the playoff environment. I didn't see the game so I am not sure which players he might be referring to. It is difficult in a best of 3 series to determine which changes need to be made but if there are a few forwards that aren't adapting well it might be worthwhile to put Ridly Greig and Tyler Boucher in the lineup. That is of course if Viktor Lodin still has the flu, or if it is 3 forwards that aren't adapting well maybe get all 3 of them in.

Again, I don't know which players he is referring to or how they looked last game and I don't know how confident he is for them to bounce back. I do however believe that Grieg and Boucher are well suited for the playoffs and could provide something positive if others are struggling.

 

[StoicSensFan]

I may have been a little trigger happy with my AHLtv full playoff pass subscription.

My optimism is off the charts

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I may have been a little trigger happy with my AHLtv full playoff pass subscription.

My optimism is off the charts

Put in a credit card claim, say your were under the impression your team was going all the way.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Put in a credit card claim, say your were under the impression your team was going all the way.

Sorry Visa, I got Sens'd.

 

[The Expert]

Carkner beating the shit out of Boyle was an all time favourite moment for me.

When he beat the piss out of Downie, that was my favourite with Boyle being a close second. Carkner was a beauty.

 

[Ouroboros]

Based on Mann's comments it sounds like some of the players that while some players thrived, others struggled in the playoff environment. I didn't see the game so I am not sure which players he might be referring to. It is difficult in a best of 3 series to determine which changes need to be made but if there are a few forwards that aren't adapting well it might be worthwhile to put Ridly Greig and Tyler Boucher in the lineup. That is of course if Viktor Lodin still has the flu, or if it is 3 forwards that aren't adapting well maybe get all 3 of them in.

Again, I don't know which players he is referring to or how they looked last game and I don't know how confident he is for them to bounce back. I do however believe that Grieg and Boucher are well suited for the playoffs and could provide something positive if others are struggling.

Sokolov, Reinhardt, Kastelic, Agozzino and Chartier were the best forwards. Shaw was pretty decent as well. Wedman and Sabourin were probably the worst forwards - they really struggled with the pace and in the defensive end. Parker Kelly wasn't good. Didn't get much from Lucchini or Jarventie either.

Wedman is coming out for sure, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled Sabu as well. If Lodin is recovered from his illness he'll be in. Greig might come in because Belleville are desperate for guys who can handle the puck and make plays in the middle of the ice. Boucher will not be going in.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

When he beat the piss out of Downie, that was my favourite with Boyle being a close second. Carkner was a beauty.

Video Diary: A Steve Downie Beat Down

With his recent fight with another member of the Senators, <strong>Steve Downie </strong>has been in six fights when he has taken on Ottawa....

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Everyone's fights with Downie. God damn I loved that team, Carkner, Neil, Smith, Ruutu, Fisher.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Sokolov, Reinhardt, Kastelic, Agozzino and Chartier were the best forwards. Shaw was pretty decent as well. Wedman and Sabourin were probably the worst forwards - they really struggled with the pace and in the defensive end. Parker Kelly wasn't good. Didn't get much from Lucchini or Jarventie either.

Wedman is coming out for sure, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled Sabu as well. If Lodin is recovered from his illness he'll be in. Greig might come in because Belleville are desperate for guys who can handle the puck and make plays in the middle of the ice. Boucher will not be going in.

I would think that the order of players considered to be put in the lineup for next game would be 1. Lodin, 2. Greig, 3. Boucher. If Lodin has the flu then that changes things. But more importantly it comes down to what Troy Mann thinks of the players that were struggling and how confident he is for them to make the necessary adaptations. Fundamentally it is about winning games so Mann will ice the roster that he believes will give him the best chance to win.

I don't know how Wedman, Sabourin, Kelly, Lucchini and Jarventie looked, other than what you are telling me. I don't know if they just underperformed a bit or disappeared or looked out of their element in the playoffs. If they performed really poorly or look overwhelmed or like they can't handle the playoffs then they are at high risk of being replaced. I also don't know how Greig and Boucher looked in practice today but I do know they are well suited for the playoffs and can certainly take on a smaller role if other players are struggling.

Their chances of getting in the lineup would be better if they had more practice time so given the limited practice time I wouldn't expect them in the lineup for next game. But depending on how those other players looked, Mann's confidence in them and Lodin's health status, I could certainly see a rationale for inserting Greig and Boucher in the lineup that Mann would at least give consideration to.

 

[aragorn]

Based on Mann's comments it sounds like some of the players that while some players thrived, others struggled in the playoff environment. I didn't see the game so I am not sure which players he might be referring to. It is difficult in a best of 3 series to determine which changes need to be made but if there are a few forwards that aren't adapting well it might be worthwhile to put Ridly Greig and Tyler Boucher in the lineup. That is of course if Viktor Lodin still has the flu, or if it is 3 forwards that aren't adapting well maybe get all 3 of them in.

Again, I don't know which players he is referring to or how they looked last game and I don't know how confident he is for them to bounce back. I do however believe that Grieg and Boucher are well suited for the playoffs and could provide something positive if others are struggling.

As much as I would like to see the young guys inserted into the lineup Mann is trying to win a series & in a tough spot. Those guys didn't help their junior teams win their series & the AHL is a big step up for junior players. Lodin is old enough, but is sick so he would have to feel better to play & Boucher hasn't exactly made a big impression in junior yet. Greig was scoring, but was out for a number of weeks with an injury & could still be rusty. Think about if they got inserted & screwed up that it cost them the game, what would that do for the player, teammates & coach?

In the meantime Mann has access to a number of players who he knows well that have been with him all yr & in Belleville for a long time that may deserve another chance. It's a tough call don't you think for him knowing how much Sens fans want to see the young guys, I wonder how much influence PD might have on who plays? In the regular season it would be a no brainer to insert the young guys, but in the playoffs with their season on the line, I'm not quite sure it's fair to either party. But you never know, should be interesting to see what he does, it's always easier to make moves after a loss than after a win.

 

[Senator Stanley]

Is there a reason why Guenette isn't playing?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Is there a reason why Guenette isn't playing?

Going to the Worlds for team USA. He wasn't papered down to Belleville anyway