Playoff Performers Voting Record - seventieslord

[quoipourquoi]

Round 1

Rank | Player | High/Low | Next
1 | Wayne Gretzky | |
2 | Patrick Roy | |
3 | Maurice Richard | |
4 | Jean Beliveau | |
5 | Doug Harvey | |
6 | Gordie Howe | |
7 | Guy Lafleur | |
8 | Denis Potvin | |
9 | Jacques Plante | |
10 | Bobby Orr | |
11 | Mark Messier | |
12 | Joe Sakic | |
13 | Ted Kennedy | |
14 | Bernie Geoffrion | |
15 | Frank Nighbor | |
16 | Bernie Parent | Highest | Next at 18
17 | Frank Boucher | |
18 | Paul Coffey | |
19 | Frank Foyston | |
20 | Mike Bossy | |
21 | Mario Lemieux | |
22 | Ray Bourque | |
23 | Turk Broda | |
24 | Dickie Moore | Highest | Next at 29
25 | Doug Gilmour | |
26 | Sidney Crosby | |
27 | Ken Dryden | |
28 | Nicklas Lidstrom | |
29 | Phil Esposito | |
30 | Patrick Kane | Highest | Next at 40
31 | Larry Robinson | |
32 | Terry Sawchuk | |
33 | JC Tremblay | |
34 | Sergei Fedorov | |
35 | Bobby Hull | |
36 | Howie Morenz | |
37 | Bryan Trottier | |
38 | Red Kelly | |
39 | Clint Benedict | |
40 | King Clancy | |
41 | Stan Mikita | Highest | Next at 44
42 | Jacques Lemaire | |
43 | Frank Mahovlich | |
44 | Frank McGee | |
45 | Duncan Keith | |
46 | Chris Chelios | |
47 | Dominik Hasek | |
48 | Henri Richard | |
49 | Brett Hull | |
50 | Bobby Clarke | |
51 | Harry Cameron | |
52 | Scott Stevens | |
53 | Jari Kurri | |
54 | Billy Smith | |
55 | Ted Lindsay | |
56 | Peter Forsberg | |
57 | Cy Denneny | |
58 | Chris Pronger | |
59 | Martin Brodeur | |
60 | Eddie Gerard | |

Round 2

Vote | 1st | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th | 6th | 7th | 8th | 9th | 10th
1 | Roy | Gretzky | Beliveau | Richard | Harvey | Howe | Messier | Lafleur | Potvin | Orr
3 | Lafleur | Geoffrion | Sakic | Bossy | Richard | Orr | Trottier | Kelly | Lemieux | Forsberg
6 | Fedorov | Gilmour | Crosby | Boucher | Esposito | Bourque | Parent | Hull | Stevens | Mahovlich
7 | Pronger | Bourque | Hull | Coffey | Fedorov | Foyston | Parent | McGee | Morenz | Benedict

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[MXD]

Boring.

 

[Killion]

Boring.

.... what's so "boring" about it MXD?.... you mean "safe, conservative"? Looks solid to me. Dont agree with some of the rankings, order but I see the rationale.

 

[sr edler]

Patty Kane pretty high. How is that boring?

 

[MXD]

Nah, its just that I cant remember any project where I didnt post "boring" for 70'ies stuff.

Though I admit that I really didnt expect him to end up ranking Moore better than anybody else did, even if 24 is actually reasonable.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

The guy you had ranked 58 jumped over the guy you had ranked 16 on your voting ballot. What made you rank Parent so high initially?

 

[quoipourquoi]

Easily the fewest number of high/low rankings of any Round 1 ballot.

 

[Michael Farkas]

To be fair, 70s beats a pretty loud drum here. He's a big part of the "standard" that has been established. So, naturally, his stuff won't look too "out of whack"...

To be clear, while he is not without sin I'm sure, I mean the above to be a positive comment...

 

[Canadiens1958]

Defensive Hockey

To be fair, 70s beats a pretty loud drum here. He's a big part of the "standard" that has been established. So, naturally, his stuff won't look too "out of whack"...

To be clear, while he is not without sin I'm sure, I mean the above to be a positive comment...

As in virtually no appreciation or understanding of defensive hockey.

 

[Killion]

I wouldve ranked H.Richard a lot higher (a LOT) and no sign of Dave Keon?.... 70's?... why-u-do-dat?

 

[Canadiens1958]

No 1960s Leafs mainstays. Keon, Horton, Stanley, Armstrong, Bower. No Earl Seibert. Brett Hull ahead of Bobby Clarke.

 

[seventieslord]

The guy you had ranked 58 jumped over the guy you had ranked 16 on your voting ballot. What made you rank Parent so high initially?

I guess compelling cases and the fact that I never once looked back to my original list.

To be fair, 70s beats a pretty loud drum here. He's a big part of the "standard" that has been established. So, naturally, his stuff won't look too "out of whack"...

To be clear, while he is not without sin I'm sure, I mean the above to be a positive comment...

Yeah that's fair. Although I think it's more like I respect consensus more than I go about trying to hammer it out. In any case, my lists tend to reflect consensus.

As in virtually no appreciation or understanding of defensive hockey.

Yeah, sorry for rating elite scorers ahead of defensive forwards like everyone else.

I wouldve ranked H.Richard a lot higher (a LOT) and no sign of Dave Keon?.... 70's?... why-u-do-dat?

What can I say, it's a really short list and the history of hockey is very long.

 

[Hobnobs]

I dont agree that one of the best playoff performers during the O6 is so low. Gordie Howe. Also very N. American heavy.

Edit: Oh and I think the list is fine except for those small details.

 

[Canadiens1958]

Yeah that's fair. Although I think it's more like I respect consensus more than I go about trying to hammer it out. In any case, my lists tend to reflect consensus.



Yeah, sorry for rating elite scorers ahead of defensive forwards like everyone else.

Except when consensus is represented by the HHOF voting which you do not agree with and embark on a mission to throw out honoured members.

Defensive play and scoring are not mutually exclusive as illustrated on many occassions by quality defensive forwards from Nighbor to Crosby.

 

[MXD]

I dont agree that one of the best playoff performers during the O6 is so low. Gordie Howe. Also very N. American heavy.

Edit: Oh and I think the list is fine except for those small details.

Eh.... considering the nature of the project, how can it NOT be N. American heavy?

 

[Hobnobs]

Eh.... considering the nature of the project, how can it NOT be N. American heavy?

Yea, how can I say that?

 

[MXD]

Yea, how can I say that?

I repeat : how can lists not be N.American Heavy?

 

[Hobnobs]

I repeat : how can lists not be N.American Heavy?

Because there is obviously euros whos been great playoff performers ofc. Now I understand there will be more north americans due to euros not being seriously introduced until the 80s but still. Take Jagr for example. 5th in all-time points after the Oilers click in the modern era. And hes not even on the list.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Because there is obviously euros whos been great playoff performers ofc. Now I understand there will be more north americans due to euros not being seriously introduced until the 80s but still. Take Jagr for example. 5th in all-time points after the Oilers click in the modern era. And hes not even on the list.

...a spot I believe he took from Brett Hull (190 points) who at one point was the leading scorer in a playoff (something Jagr wasn't) and only made half the lists and never became eligible. Would there be any impetus to have Jagr over contemporary RW Brett Hull?

 

[Hobnobs]

...a spot I believe he took from Brett Hull (190 points) who at one point was the leading scorer in a playoff (something Jagr wasn't) and only made half the lists and never became eligible. Would there be any impetus to have Jagr over contemporary RW Brett Hull?

Maybe not, Im too depressed to get into a deeper convo about those two but are you really gonna fault Jagr for not leading the playoffs when playing on the same team as Lemieux? Ill aslo throw in Elias name in there and say that Lidström and Hasek are way too low for what they accomplished.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Because there is obviously euros whos been great playoff performers ofc. Now I understand there will be more north americans due to euros not being seriously introduced until the 80s but still. Take Jagr for example. 5th in all-time points after the Oilers click in the modern era. And hes not even on the list.

The popular narrative here on the boards is that Jagr is a playoff underachiever for not somehow leading the firesale Penguins farther in the playoffs during his prime.

 

[Hobnobs]

The popular narrative here on the boards is that Jagr is a playoff underachiever for not somehow leading the firesale Penguins farther in the playoffs during his prime.

I understand somehow Euros and Goalies always gets undersold in rankings. Not to mention defensive defenseman. As a guy who watched Adam Foote alot, was he ever mentioned in this? Because that guy was an absolute beast in the playoffs but obviously hard to quantify.

 

[Epsilon]

I understand somehow Euros and Goalies always gets undersold in rankings. Not to mention defensive defenseman. As a guy who watched Adam Foote alot, was he ever mentioned in this? Because that guy was an absolute beast in the playoffs but obviously hard to quantify.

Why would Adam Foote even come up for discussion? It was a list of the top 40 playoff performers of all-time, not the top 40 since 1995.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Hasek? How deep would this list have to go to consider him...?

 

[bobholly39]

Maybe not, Im too depressed to get into a deeper convo about those two but are you really gonna fault Jagr for not leading the playoffs when playing on the same team as Lemieux? Ill aslo throw in Elias name in there and say that Lidström and Hasek are way too low for what they accomplished.

I was higher on Lidstrom than most.

Hasek - not so much. His playoffs are ok but nothing spectacular. A lot of goalies have better playoff resumes than he does all time.

Regular season? Nope. Hasek would almost surely be #1.

Elias? Let's be serious....hes pretty good but not top 40 all time imo.