Player Discussion: Brandon Sutter | III

[mrmyheadhurts]

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Previous threads

• Sutter traded to Vancouver, Pt. I
• Sutter traded to Vancouver, Pt. II
• Sutter signed to five-year extension
• Discussion, Pt. 0
• Discussion, Pt. I
• Discussion, Pt. II

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[banme*]

Where were you when Sutter was kill

 

[racerjoe]

Say what you will of him, I just hope he doesn't become a Ballard, and by that I don't mean a bad player for us, just a guy that was relatively healthy his entire career until he came to us, then had freak and weird injuries for the rest of his career.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Can't even get a read on the guy because of how little he's been in the lineup.

 

[Reign Nateo]

Can't even get a read on the guy because of how little he's been in the lineup.

Since when has that stopped anyone around here?

 

[me2]

Such bad luck. Comes in with reliability and health being one of the selling points.... Injuries.

welcome to the Canucks

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

Just think how good of a job WD would have done this year if not for all these darn injuries...

 

[drax0s]

Is this a situation like Hamhuis where he can't eat solid food and loses weight due to drinking his meals? ****. Sutter is a beanpole already.

 

[biturbo19]

Say what you will of him, I just hope he doesn't become a Ballard, and by that I don't mean a bad player for us, just a guy that was relatively healthy his entire career until he came to us, then had freak and weird injuries for the rest of his career.

Really cruddy the way Sutter's tenure here has started off injury-wise. So frustrating that we seem to take these generally healthy players, and turn them into injury magnets in Vancouver. I mean...that injury last night, that's just bad dumb luck. Sucks.

 

[coldsteel79]

If it's just lower jaw it's not as bad but he'll still have to be fixated (wires or elastics) and plated, so soft food, but healing time should be quicker.

 

[BC Ben]

Meat and potatoes

 

[coldsteel79]

Meat and potatoes

It'll need lots of gravy

 

[y2kcanucks]

It's a shame that people will resort to pointing to his injuries to explain why he hasn't performed well, while completely ignoring his historical numbers which are similar.

Hoping for a full and speedy recovery though. Don't like to see anyone get hurt.

 

[PM]

This is why you don't sign a player before he plays a single game for you. The guy has been injured over half the year, could have got us a nice discount (well a GM capable of skilled negotiating could).

 

[tantalum]

Can't even get a read on the guy because of how little he's been in the lineup.

He's a 500+ game veteran what is there to get a read on?

 

[Chubros]

Say what you will of him, I just hope he doesn't become a Ballard, and by that I don't mean a bad player for us, just a guy that was relatively healthy his entire career until he came to us, then had freak and weird injuries for the rest of his career.

Ballard had hip surgery before ever joining the Canucks. He was still recovering when we traded for him. Gillis swapped a 1st round pick and a former 1st round draftee for what amounted to damaged goods.

You're right that Sutter was by and large healthy before this year.

 

[Toxic0n]

This is why you don't sign a player before he plays a single game for you. The guy has been injured over half the year, could have got us a nice discount (well a GM capable of skilled negotiating could).

Yeah, but what if he stayed healthy and scored 25 goals, then we'd have to pay him almost 4.5 million.

 

[racerjoe]

Really cruddy the way Sutter's tenure here has started off injury-wise. So frustrating that we seem to take these generally healthy players, and turn them into injury magnets in Vancouver. I mean...that injury last night, that's just bad dumb luck. Sucks.

It just seems to happen, I don't know why. Hope he has a speedy recovery.

Ballard had hip surgery before ever joining the Canucks. He was still recovering when we traded for him. Gillis swapped a 1st round pick and a former 1st round draftee for what amounted to damaged goods.

You're right that Sutter was by and large healthy before this year.

Doesn't change the fact he was relatively healthy before that. Lots of players do fine after that surgery including Kesler, and Lack.

Yeah, but what if he stayed healthy and scored 25 goals, then we'd have to pay him almost 4.5 million.

what from his 500+ games makes you think that was likely? We paid him on the high end. It would have always most likely been less.

 

[vancityluongo]

Too bad. Not that it really makes much difference to the lineup, they were essentially using him as a non-effective scoring center anyways. Hopefully this allows McCann to see more icetime but apparently Cracknell is playing instead?

what from his 500+ games makes you think that was likely? We paid him on the high end. It would have always most likely been less.

That's their point. Best case scenario he scores 25, at which point he still could have been easily had for 4.5. Our lovely management group signed him for that anyways.

 

[VanJack]

This is why you don't sign a player before he plays a single game for you. The guy has been injured over half the year, could have got us a nice discount (well a GM capable of skilled negotiating could).

Yikes!...did you have to remind us that Sutter's $4.5m deal cuts in next season?...but looking at it positively if he's jinxed injury-wise, at least they'll be more cap relief on LTIR...and if the Canucks are set in the middle with Henrik, Bo and McCann then he instantly becomes the most expensive fourth-line centre in hockey.

 

[racerjoe]

Too bad. Not that it really makes much difference to the lineup, they were essentially using him as a non-effective scoring center anyways. Hopefully this allows McCann to see more icetime but apparently Cracknell is playing instead?



That's their point. Best case scenario he scores 25, at which point he still could have been easily had for 4.5. Our lovely management group signed him for that anyways.

And I am agreeing with that.

 

[me2]

Yikes!...did you have to remind us that Sutter's $4.5m deal cuts in next season?...but looking at it positively if he's jinxed injury-wise, at least they'll be more cap relief on LTIR...and if the Canucks are set in the middle with Henrik, Bo and McCann then he instantly becomes the most expensive fourth-line centre in hockey.

McCann can't even beat out waivers guys like Cracknell or Vey, he has a long way to go to pass Sutter. Used properly Sutter is a good bottom 6.

 

[y2kcanucks]

McCann can't even beat out waivers guys like Cracknell or Vey, he has a long way to go to pass Sutter. Used properly Sutter is a good bottom 6.

Jared McCann can and has beaten those waiver guys out. We just have an idiot coach.

Sutter is an overrated average 3C.

 

[Regal]

It's a shame that people will resort to pointing to his injuries to explain why he hasn't performed well, while completely ignoring his historical numbers which are similar.

Hoping for a full and speedy recovery though. Don't like to see anyone get hurt.

How has he not performed well? He's basically paced for a 20 goal, 35 pt year, with decent defense, decent faceoffs, a better possession player than he was touted as, a better forechecker than he was touted as, with the same lack of creativity and offensive IQ that he was touted as. Unless people were expecting 50+ points, he's basically performed how he should.

 

[thedean]

How has he not performed well? He's basically paced for a 20 goal, 35 pt year, with decent defense, decent faceoffs, a better possession player than he was touted as, a better forechecker than he was touted as, with the same lack of creativity and offensive IQ that he was touted as. Unless people were expecting 50+ points, he's basically performed how he should.

he played 20 games this year. I'm not judging one way or the other but his production is really on way too small of a scale to judge.