GDT: PHI@CAR - Lose them all

[MinJaBen]

made something for you guys

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The septic tank is on.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

 

[Canes]

But his first round drafting has not been that bad.
We had to draft D for the first 2 years, Fleury seems decent, he can still grow and Hanifin has a lot of potential, he just have to keep playing and these 2 were ranked above others, so they are decent picks IMO. When we picked Bean he was best one available at that moment, but maybe he needed to do something differently. And last years pick - Necas - seems to be a steal. So I would say he drafted solid 7/10 in the first round considering all of the variables IMO.

The 2014 and 2016 drafts look to be pretty bad though, especially considering the players that went off the board after our picks. Fleury and Bean are looking less and less like the impact D-men they were sold as, and Gauthier basically has a long ways to go to even be a bottom 6 player in the NHL. I still think both Fleury and Bean can be NHLers, but probably not top pairing d-men. Maybe second pairing specialists (PP for Bean and PK for Fleury).

Hanfin it's hard to blame him on as he was the consensus #1 d-man by most teams, the only thing I can fault him on is bringing him to the NHL right away.

Necas still remains to be seen. While I'm excited for him, I'm going to remain very cautious. I thought Lindholm was a sure thing to be a franchise player once too.

 

[Breakdowns]

The 2014 and 2016 drafts look to be pretty bad though, especially considering the players that went off the board after our picks. Fleury and Bean are looking less and less like the impact D-men they were sold as, and Gauthier basically has a long ways to go to even be a bottom 6 player in the NHL. I still think both Fleury and Bean can be NHLers, but probably not top pairing d-men. Maybe second pairing specialists (PP for Bean and PK for Fleury).

Hanfin it's hard to blame him on as he was the consensus #1 d-man by most teams, the only thing I can fault him on is bringing him to the NHL right away.

Necas still remains to be seen. While I'm excited for him, I'm going to remain very cautious. I thought Lindholm was a sure thing to be a franchise player once too.

Of course, only draft we can somehow really judge right now is 2014 when we picked Fleury, but looking back at it, Fleury seems like the best choice there, I can't see any D guy better than him at this moment from the first round. And we had to take a D guy there.

2016 draft seems to be the one with most questions about our future- both Gauthier and Bean will need at least 2-3 more years to make NHL. There is even a chance that they will never make it.

Yeah, Lindy has so much potential wasted, but there is still time for him to grow. Just time is starting to run out.

 

[Breakdowns]

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Pure art, thank you!

 

[DaveG]

On the plus side, at least I won something tonight, and this wasn't a 3 point game. Small positives.

 

[Negan4Coach]

 

[Dishface]

Cheers to all the 3 point games for everyone else now! Let's tank babyyy !! Woooo!!

 

[Wolfpuck]

I didn't watch it

But I felt it

In my empty soul

Experience Canes Hockey

 

[Lempo]

I didn't watch it

But I felt it

In my empty soul

Experience Canes Hockey

You messed up that haiku like the Canes messed up the season.

 

[bleedgreen]

Well I think the two defensive gaffes are a microcosm of the season. Two d in the corner and somehow a winger left to defend the other teams best player who's standing by himself two feet from Ward. Our best pairing featuring two d first guys both over committing to Williams (who really shouldve just shot it with two guys going to the net) and his play. Slavin was over zealous but he was pushing it tonight so I get it, at least he cares.

Our supposedly amazing young d core rarely plays amazing. We knew we didn't have enough offense, but it's been a surprising step back year for the d in some ways, though going so young maybe it shouldn't have been a surprise. We could use another solid vet back there.

 

[Lempo]

made something for you guys

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Seek GM candidates & Destroy their careers

 

[Lempo]

Dun! Dun don don!


Master of Puppet GMs wants you gone
Lowballs his offer
Sees you withdraw

 

[Wolfpuck]

You messed up that haiku like the Canes messed up the season.

I wasn't aware I was supposed to do a haiku.

Much like the Hurricanes aren't aware they are supposed to do hockey.

 

[Lempo]

Oh it was Tom Berenger! From the pic I though it was David Hasselhoff doing some recent Expendables stuff.

 

[Ole Gil]

There are a lot of guys on this team that have only played for Kirk Muller or Bill Peters. Part of me says "These guys were bad picks." Another part wonders "What if they had a chance to develop under a coach/org that knows how to develop players?"

 

[Dishface]

There are a lot of guys on this team that have only played for Kirk Muller or Bill Peters. Part of me says "These guys were bad picks." Another part wonders "What if they had a chance to develop under a coach/org that knows how to develop players?"

Or they just suck...

 

[ndp]

I often wondered if some of our development issues stem from Pete Friesen (I know he's gone now but isn't his replacement one of his underlings) and his oddball dietary and workout systems.
They/he used to always talk about having thinner, lean players to develop speed.
Look at a team like the Jets, who seem to completely manhandle and physically dominate the Hurricanes, as most teams in the league do. Our guys just don't have the strength to compete in front of the net.
It makes me wonder if their physical development (muscle) has been sacrificed because management has some theory about searching for speed. Most of our players aren't good enough to compete on speed and skill alone. Lindholm for example should probably be a quite a bit heavier than he currently is, same for Hannifin, who still has time to develop physically.
I've often thought our prospects havent reached their potential due to: A. Being rushed.
And
B. Someone convinced someone else that the way to win in the new NHL is with super fit trim players, sacrifice some strength to gain an insignificant amount of speed.
I call it the Derek Ryan, program. And what it does is create $h!t hockey players that aren't strong enough to compete inside the dots where most goals are scored in the NHL.
Who needs muscle when your super fit and trim hockey men are going to littelary fly around the ice? (We do, we definitely need some muscle)

 

[Negan4Coach]

I often wondered if some of our development issues stem from Pete Friesen (I know he's gone now but isn't his replacement one of his underlings) and his oddball dietary and workout systems.
They/he used to always talk about having thinner, lean players to develop speed.
Look at a team like the Jets, who seem to completely manhandle and physically dominate the Hurricanes, as most teams in the league do. Our guys just don't have the strength to compete in front of the net.
It makes me wonder if their physical development (muscle) has been sacrificed because management has some theory about searching for speed. Most of our players aren't good enough to compete on speed and skill alone. Lindholm for example should probably be a quite a bit heavier than he currently is, same for Hannifin, who still has time to develop physically.
I've often thought our prospects havent reached their potential due to: A. Being rushed.
And
B. Someone convinced someone else that the way to win in the new NHL is with super fit trim players, sacrifice some strength to gain an insignificant amount of speed.
I call it the Derek Ryan, program. And what it does is create $h!t hockey players that aren't strong enough to compete inside the dots where most goals are scored in the NHL.
Who needs muscle when your super fit and trim hockey men are going to littelary fly around the ice? (We do, we definitely need some muscle)

I have long thought the same thing.

 

[RodTheBawd]

This was a good result, whats all the hubbub about?

 

[geehaad]

Thread review:

1. If the players make bad decisions with the puck and it leads to something bad, it's the fault of the system/coach.
2. If the players aren't where they are supposed to be and it leads to something bad, it's the fault of the system/coach.
3. If the players are where they are supposed to be and it leads to something bad, it's the fault of the system/coach.

 

[Justshootmore]

Can we just get rid of the 3rd period?

I took a look how we would have played without the 3rd period:

Our record would be 22-29 with 20 games going to OT. With a 50/50 record in those Overtimes (our actual record this seasons with games that go to Overtime is 5-11 (31%)), we would have 74 points, which pretty much where we are.

Our goal difference per period is +2/-21/-7.

So even if it feels like it, the 3rd period is not our biggest problem.

 

[bleedgreen]

I have long thought the same thing.

Or he did the best he could with smaller players. Waste time trying to bulk up or emphasize the strengths of small, quick and flexible.

We sorely lack bigger players. We couldn’t add size AND skill so we added skill in this most recent version. TT, Aho, Lindy, Skinner, Ryan, Williams, Stempniak are all leaner and/or smaller.

Rask and Nordstrom could carry more weight, but I don’t know who else could really benefit from a change away to bulkier.

 

[bleedgreen]

Thread review:

1. If the players make bad decisions with the puck and it leads to something bad, it's the fault of the system/coach.
2. If the players aren't where they are supposed to be and it leads to something bad, it's the fault of the system/coach.
3. If the players are where they are supposed to be and it leads to something bad, it's the fault of the system/coach.

The “system/coach” has become the new Chad Larose.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Or he did the best he could with smaller players. Waste time trying to bulk up or emphasize the strengths of small, quick and flexible.

We sorely lack bigger players. We couldn’t add size AND skill so we added skill in this most recent version. TT, Aho, Lindy, Skinner, Ryan, Williams, Stempniak are all leaner and/or smaller.

Rask and Nordstrom could carry more weight, but I don’t know who else could really benefit from a change away to bulkier.

Yeah but didnt we already see an iteration of the smurf posse under Rutherford (ie, Murphy)? Why would RF repeat that crap?

Yet when I denigrated Freissen earlier this year and blamed him for our struggles I was viciously attacked.