Pat Kane Investigation talk [MOD: Post #129]

[joshjull]

It will be interesting to see how the NHL handles this.

 

[couture23]

It will be interesting to see how the NHL handles this.

I think if charges are filed then he would be suspended immediately.

 

[joshjull]

I think if charges are filed then he would be suspended immediately.

Isn't that what they did with Voynov?

 

[couture23]

Isn't that what they did with Voynov?

I believe so yes.

 

[enthusiast]

Does anyone really expect to see him convicted, much less charged, though?

Perhaps I'm just jaded after Jameis last year.

 

[couture23]

Does anyone really expect to see him convicted, much less charged, though?

Perhaps I'm just jaded after Jameis last year.

I wouldn't be surprised to see charges being filed. Kaner has a pretty poor reputation as it is, so he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt here. This is just another awful misstep in his life - even to have his name floating around in these accusations.

A lot of people thought he grew up, but to have his named linked to a very serious accusation is extremely troubling.

 

[CaptPantalones]

Does anyone really expect to see him convicted, much less charged, though?

Perhaps I'm just jaded after Jameis last year.

Honestly, I do think he gets charged. It isn't looking good for him

 

[JLewyB]

Is Buffalo allowed to be proud of anything when it comes to sports?

 

[flyingpig]

Honestly, I do think he gets charged. It isn't looking good for him

All depends on the evidence. It is clearly being thoroughly investigated. I would say that th decision to charge will be looked at more closely here based upon the likelihood of success in prosecution as Sedita does not want a black eye. If it is low hangning fruit, the charges are def coming. If it is a really difficult case, they may choose not to charge. It is the middle where he will struggle with how to proceed.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Honestly, I do think he gets charged. It isn't looking good for him

Where do you get that from? Just speculation? I haven't seen anything official?

Maybe someone is looking for a payday?

 

[tsujimoto74]

Where do you get that from? Just speculation? I haven't seen anything official?

Maybe someone is looking for a payday?

The victim gets absolutely nothing from a criminal conviction. She would have to sue Kane in a civil suit for that.

 

[Selanne00008]

All depends on the evidence. It is clearly being thoroughly investigated. I would say that th decision to charge will be looked at more closely here based upon the likelihood of success in prosecution as Sedita does not want a black eye. If it is low hangning fruit, the charges are def coming. If it is a really difficult case, they may choose not to charge. It is the middle where he will struggle with how to proceed.

Agreed. If he is charged, then it's over. In a case like this, American Idol in the hockey world, they will not charge until they are certain and are 110% justified.

Tic Toc..

 

[Onslow]

The victim gets absolutely nothing from a criminal conviction. She would have to sue Kane in a civil suit for that.

I think it's easier to get a guilty charge/monetary recompense or at least a settlement in a civil lawsuit, no?

 

[Jim Bob]

Thats not what he needs. He needs to put the bottle down.

That too.

But, getting a good wingman can be easier than quitting the sauce. And even if you're not saucing, a good wingman can always come in handy for when others are partaking.

 

[Selanne00008]

I think it's easier to get a guilty charge/monetary recompense or at least a settlement in a civil lawsuit, no?

Yes, I could be wrong but on a federal or non civil charge 12/12 jurors need to vote guilty for a sentencing. In civil I believe it is only a majority, and it may not be 12 jurors. Like 6 of 10 or something.

He could easily not be charged, go to civil case and lose, or settle out of court.

 

[OhreallyOrielly]

Hamburg PD is about to make a statement. WIVB has a live feed.
http://wivb.com/live-streaming/

 

[Ghills23]

Hamburg PD is about to make a statement. WIVB has a live feed.
http://wivb.com/live-streaming/

As does WGRZ http://www.wgrz.com/videos/news/2015/07/20/3498599/

 

[yahhockey]

If there's nothing to announce, ie no charges will be filed, then why not issue a press release and move on? Pure speculation but why waste everyone's time to simply Officer Barbrady the situation?

*edit*
haha, well not quite no charges but all it did was confirm what we already knew that there was an incident under investigation

 

[flyingpig]

I think it's easier to get a guilty charge/monetary recompense or at least a settlement in a civil lawsuit, no?

Also, the standard of proof is higher in a criminal case... "Beyond a reasonable doubt" (reasonable degree of certainty) , while a civil case is based upon a preponderance of the evidence (more likely than not = 51% likely that it happened)

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

If there's nothing to announce, ie no charges will be filed, then why not issue a press release and move on? Pure speculation but why waste everyone's time to simply Officer Barbrady the situation?

*edit*
haha, well not quite no charges but all it did was confirm what we already knew that there was an incident under investigation

The people who I was with, 1 I definitely trust her opinion, seamed to think that the release was supposed to contain more information but it was suppressed just before the conference was to start. I guess it's not to uncommon for lawyers to seek injunctions against the release of certain information as it could taint an eventual jury selection, with a high profile suspect and the closed door approach the HPD seams to be taking it wouldn't surprise me. Just speculation of course.

 

[Beerz]

The victim gets absolutely nothing from a criminal conviction. She would have to sue Kane in a civil suit for that.

The fact that this is a criminal investigation and a civil suit hasnt been brought forth yet doesn't mean there wont be a civil court case or this isn't for money. A civil case usually happens after the criminal case has been resolved.

The fact that she went to the Hospital and had a rape kit done involved the authorities from the get go ..as I believe it is the law that Hospital Workers need to report a sexual assault.


I have no reason to believe this is a money grabbing ploy but it's certainly possible.

I think end of the day tho... Mr Kane will be in Prison. Gut feeling.

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Kane... In prison. I highly doubt that.

 

[Myllz]

Hopefully this is just a case of a girl trying to get money out of a rich kid by making up/exaggerating a story and going after him. Knowing Kane I wouldn't at all be surprised if the story is legit, though.

 

[Deevo]

Hopefully this is just a case of a girl trying to get money out of a rich kid by making up/exaggerating a story and going after him. Knowing Kane I wouldn't at all be surprised if the story is legit, though.

This train of thought is the reason why so many sexual assault cases go unreported. When a woman gets a rape kit done we should believe her.

 

[Myllz]

This train of thought is the reason why so many sexual assault cases go unreported. When a woman gets a rape kit done we should believe her.

I haven't read all the reports and what not so far, so I don't know everything that's been done. My first response was just a high-level thought.