Pascal Vincent: Stay or Go?

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I'm not going to lie, Rierdon seems to be highly regarded as an assistant for his work with defensemen according to the athletic article.

Regardless of who is head coach here next year, I think he'd fill a need on our assistant staff and a big upgrade over McCarthy.

 

[EspenK]

I'm not going to lie, Rierdon seems to be highly regarded as an assistant for his work with defensemen according to the athletic article.

Regardless of who is head coach here next year, I think he'd fill a need on our assistant staff and a big upgrade over McCarthy.

Maybe I read a different Athletic article. Here's what the one I read said:

Twice an assistant coach with the Penguins — once under Dan Bylsma, and under Mike Sullivan for the past four years — Reirden came under fire from the fan base this season because of the power play’s staggering struggles. Despite coaching a unit that possesses a number of future Hall of Famers, Pittsburgh finished 31st in the NHL on the power play and led the league in shorthanded goals allowed.

Reirden, whose contract expired once the Penguins’ season ended, was also responsible for coaching the Penguins’ defensemen, many of whom struggled during the 2023-24 season.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Maybe I read a different Athletic article. Here's what the one I read said:

Twice an assistant coach with the Penguins — once under Dan Bylsma, and under Mike Sullivan for the past four years — Reirden came under fire from the fan base this season because of the power play’s staggering struggles. Despite coaching a unit that possesses a number of future Hall of Famers, Pittsburgh finished 31st in the NHL on the power play and led the league in shorthanded goals allowed.

Reirden, whose contract expired once the Penguins’ season ended, was also responsible for coaching the Penguins’ defensemen, many of whom struggled during the 2023-24 season.

Sounds like we wouldn’t miss a beat on the PP with him.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Sounds like we wouldn’t miss a beat on the PP with him.

I am ready for us to miss a beat.

 

[Youngguns80]

Sorry don’t like to be totally negative but McCarthy was a last minute replacement and I feel just isn’t good at either translating the message, teaching (to the players) or in game adjustments.

Again this is subjective on my account but switching him out for a veteran D coach has to merit some level of uptick in better defensive coverage.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Maybe I read a different Athletic article. Here's what the one I read said:

Twice an assistant coach with the Penguins — once under Dan Bylsma, and under Mike Sullivan for the past four years — Reirden came under fire from the fan base this season because of the power play’s staggering struggles. Despite coaching a unit that possesses a number of future Hall of Famers, Pittsburgh finished 31st in the NHL on the power play and led the league in shorthanded goals allowed.

Reirden, whose contract expired once the Penguins’ season ended, was also responsible for coaching the Penguins’ defensemen, many of whom struggled during the 2023-24 season.

Penguins part ways with associate coach Todd Reirden

The Penguins and associate coach Todd Reirden have parted ways.

theathletic.com

"Sullivan and Reirden have developed a very strong relationship over the years and despite what Dubas said in his statement, it is not believed Sullivan was in favor of Reirden’s dismissal. Reirden, the former head coach of the Washington Capitals, has long been regarded as one of hockey’s best assistant coaches with his specialty lying in his work with defensemen."
"Reirden’s situation was interesting in that he worked with the defensemen and with the power play. It’s somewhat unusual for a coach to oversee those two units. It could be that Pittsburgh will bring more than one coach in to handle those duties."

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I am ready for us to miss a beat.

So you want us to be a beat off or an off beat

 

[KJ Dangler]

Sounds like we wouldn’t miss a beat on the PP with him.

It’s become acceptable in this org that it’s OK to have a brutal powerplay . You have the skilled players to have a damn good powerplay .. Unfortunately some players were penciled on the top powerplay that have no business being on that top unit . An outside perspective is needed here .. whole staff should not be brought back

 

[koteka]

So you want us to be a beat off or an off beat

I want us to put the beat down.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

I want us to put the beat down.

Would the beat down be done by beating up?

 

[NotWendell]

Would the beat down be done by beating up?

Or would the beating on be done by... ?

 

[Cyclones Rock]

Or would the beating on be done by... ?

Beat it.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Just saying if the jackets don’t want to get left behind with premier candidates they better make a decision on Pascal in the next few weeks or so

(In the end I do believe pascal will be retained for at least one more year)

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Just saying if the jackets don’t want to get left behind with premier candidates they better make a decision on Pascal in the next few weeks or so

(In the end I do believe pascal will be retained for at least one more year)

By default, they'd better get moving on a GM candidate first but I also think PV isn't going anywhere. I highly doubt a new coach is a package deal with a new GM and I doubt a new GM will be so quick to pull the trigger without taking the time to get to know everyone in the organization first.

The last thing I want is some guy with a quick trigger finger before doing his research first.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

Up next in the coaching carousel.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

The longer the GM process goes, the more comfortable Vincent’s seat gets. IMO

Though now after posting this I have gotten word that on Jeff Mareks podcast and 32 Thoughts podcast yesterday Marek has said there will be a head coach opening in Columbus. I have not heard them myself yet, but I will be able to confirm over the weekend

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

The longer the GM process goes, the more comfortable Vincent’s seat gets. IMO

Though now after posting this I have gotten word that on Jeff Mareks podcast and 32 Thoughts podcast yesterday Marek has said there will be a head coach opening in Columbus. I have not heard them myself yet, but I will be able to confirm over the weekend

I’m in the middle of listening to Marek now. He threw Columbus into a list of openings in passing. Unless more comes up in the rest of the podcast I think he just misspoke and didn’t realize or pay attention that we still have a coach.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Up next in the coaching carousel.

There is a certain Leafs assistant who should be added in some capacity here no questions asked and yes he would technically be a retread/former Jacket hire.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

There is a certain Leafs assistant who should be added in some capacity here no questions asked and yes he would technically be a retread/former Jacket hire.

Really on the train of hiring Curtis Sanford?

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

NHL coaching job-security tiers: Who could go next?

With the preposterous turnover rate among NHL head coaches lately, let's take stock of the stability of every coaching job.

theathletic.com

• There have been 19 head-coaching changes since last season, including Rick Bowness’ retirement, and 12 this season alone.

Leading the race to No. 20​

Columbus Blue Jackets, Pascal Vincent​

It’ll be up to whoever takes over as Blue Jackets general manager to decide what happens with Vincent. He doesn’t have a ton to lean on, other than the fact that hiring a fourth head coach in 13 months would be a brutal look.

 

[GoJackets1]

NHL coaching job-security tiers: Who could go next?

With the preposterous turnover rate among NHL head coaches lately, let's take stock of the stability of every coaching job.

theathletic.com

• There have been 19 head-coaching changes since last season, including Rick Bowness’ retirement, and 12 this season alone.

Leading the race to No. 20​

Columbus Blue Jackets, Pascal Vincent​

It’ll be up to whoever takes over as Blue Jackets general manager to decide what happens with Vincent. He doesn’t have a ton to lean on, other than the fact that hiring a fourth head coach in 13 months would be a brutal look.

Fourth? Did I miss something?

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

Fourth? Did I miss something?

He means that there would then have been four coaches in the span of 13 months: Larsen, Babcock, Vincent and whoever would replace him.

 

[ClevelandJacketFan]

He means that there would then have been four coaches in the span of 13 months: Larsen, Babcock, Vincent and whoever would replace him.

I believe this reasoning to be extremely stupid, by the way. Don't keep a coach because you want to say you're a stable franchise. This is exactly what happened with the Browns and Hue Jackson when it was painfully obvious that Hue wasn't the guy.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

I believe this reasoning to be extremely stupid, by the way. Don't keep a coach because you want to say you're a stable franchise. This is exactly what happened with the Browns and Hue Jackson when it was painfully obvious that Hue wasn't the guy.

And the browns couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag.

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

I believe this reasoning to be extremely stupid, by the way. Don't keep a coach because you want to say you're a stable franchise. This is exactly what happened with the Browns and Hue Jackson when it was painfully obvious that Hue wasn't the guy.

Prioritising optics over the good of the team is always a mistake, I'd agree. Personally, I'm for giving Vincent another year, though. But not because it would look bad to fire him. Rather, there was improvement from Larsen's last year and I'd like for him to get a whole off-season as well as some input on the roster. Furthermore, I am generally skeptical of judging a coach on one season.