OT: OT Lounge (No politics)

[nobody imp0rtant]

I once witnessed a webpage’s comment section last exactly 15 minutes before turning into an ugly, screaming brawl (complete with homophobic and ethnic slurs) with about a dozen people.

That webpage consisted of a recipe for a grilled cheese sandwich.

The flashpoint was “whether or not it’s still a ‘grilled cheese’ once you put ham in it”

So suffice it to say, I can see why they would just “close comments” on this issue on many websites that lack a strong moderator force.

PS: if anyone is interested in my reply that I wrote, shoot me a DM.

I'll bet vegetarians started it.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I had my second shot last weekend; Moderna this time, Pfizer last. I had zero side effects. Not even a sore arm. Thought they gave me a dummy shot at first

I'll take Famous Last Words for $500, Alex.

 

[buggs]

Grilled cheese with ham is good

Not as good as pineapple on pizza.

 

[ps241]

Education is absolutely the key. I took the advice of Chief Cadmus Delorme of the Cowessess First Nation, and read the Calls to Action in the TRC findings. Not just skimmed them, but read them, then hit Google to see how Canada was progressing on those calls, and where we had work to do.

The document is beautiful in that it is a direct and concrete roadmap. Things that can be done. Some of which actually has been done, some of which has progress towards completion. Actual tangible progress, not this Catholic style "self-flagellation-as-virtue" noise that people are obsessed with on social media.

Thanks!

I will follow your lead on this.

 

[ps241]

@SM and @AlphaLackey I enjoyed the back and forth exchange.

 

[AlphaLackey]

@SM and @AlphaLackey I enjoyed the back and forth exchange.

It's a shame we can't have a "Purge" now and then where for like 12 hours, everything goes (like, anything short of "call the RCMP"; even The Purge has restrictions). We'd get a lot of stuff out

 

[Eyeseeing]

Not as good as pineapple on pizza.

Nooooooooo
Fruit and pizza
Fruit and beer
Cranberry and Turkey

 

[Jets 31]

Not as good as pineapple on pizza.

Pepperoni and pineapple.

 

[buggs]

Nooooooooo
Fruit and pizza
Fruit and beer
Cranberry and Turkey

You and I are going to have issues.

 

[schmockeyknife]

The people who are burning down churches and vandalizing statues are doing absolutely nothing to further their cause. Violence and intimidation is not the answer. There are other ways people can protest and demand action. I'm so disappointed that Canadians have imported this American-style terrorism into the country. It's disgusting and I hope just prevails, on all sides.

i'm sure it makes them feel better and if that's the impetus, let'em burn. as far as peaceful protests go, c'mon -they havnt been effective. how many northern peoples are still waiting for potable water?

for the goddaman horrors they have endured, i hope they burn evry single thing that they feel will help them turn the page on those atrocities.

catharsis.

 

[buggs]

i'm sure it makes them feel better and if that's the impetus, let'em burn. as far as peaceful protests go, c'mon -they havnt been effective. how many northern peoples are still waiting for potable water?

for the goddaman horrors they have endured, i hope they burn evry single thing that they feel will help them turn the page on those atrocities.

catharsis.

Catharsis perhaps, but it ends up turning support on its head.

Black Lives Matter? Without question they do, as do Indigenous lives on this side of the border. The tragedy of the events these groups have faced is massive and devastating. There is no questioning that in my mind.

But look at the outcomes of BLM in many respects - the leaders now seeming have found themselves wealthy. Many events lead to destruction of property owned by black business owners. Many black lives were lost, not the least of which was a four year old boy in Minneapolis who burned to death because one of the apartment complexes that the protesters set fire too couldn't be reached by emergency crews as they were blockaded by, yup, BLM protesters. Look at how many lives have been lost by police being told to not respond. Honestly, LeBron thought it was better to let a black girl be stabbed to death than have the assailant shot by a police officer. That's some f***ed up shit right there. Basically BLM has done as much harm as it has done good. A leader that's a "socialist" who scammed off enough to buy four houses. Yeah, that's a solid movement.

It's the slippery slope argument. Is it therapeutic? Perhaps. But you're supporting anarchy that will accomplish little and harm many. Is that a solid outcome that we should wish for? What if it's your parents house they target first, is that ok? Most importantly it will create resentment amongst a population that is almost unilaterally appalled by what they're learning about residential schools (I must have had way different schooling than everyone else because the tragedies of these grave findings while horrific isn't surprising - I honestly thought this had been known by many but apparently the converse is true). That's the converse of helpful.

This stuff is horrific and perhaps we can finally get something done but the violence that is likely to ensue will not help. Like BLM, I still support the principle wholeheartedly, but the course of action has been utterly idiotic in many instances and guess who it's hurt the most? Black Lives. Should our First Nations follow that course?

Maybe turn the anger at the people that can make the change - the politicians. Don't give the current government in power an easy pass. Everyone just says Conservatives do nothing because they don't care. What has the current government in power done to resolve...anything for First Nations? Aren't they the good guys who care about everyone? What have they done with MMIW inquiry results? What have they done to resolve the potable water issue you bring up? Zip. Zero. Nada. Not a big enough voting block. But there should be widespread support and momentum to be able to finally get an ear in Ottawa. It's front page news daily. Follow those calls to action in the TRC findings.

And I don't disagree with you that peaceful protests have done little to be effective. Nor would First Nations leaders. But they condemned the actions you support.

 

[Ducky10]

I get my second shot on Monday night, it's ok if i miss work Tuesday but i better be able to golf damnit .

I had mine this past Monday, Moderna. Felt pretty much exactly the way @Hunter368 described, except mine was the next morning and throughout the day. Felt quite a bit better by mid-afternoon in Wednesday. Could not have golfed the day after, would not have been fun.

 

[Jets 31]

I had mine this past Monday, Moderna. Felt pretty much exactly the way @Hunter368 described, except mine was the next morning and throughout the day. Felt quite a bit better by mid-afternoon in Wednesday. Could not have golfed the day after, would not have been fun.

Mine is Monday night, so what your saying is i might not be able to golf Tuesday?

 

[WaveRaven]

I went and read TRC calls to action like Alpha suggested. No reason we can't follow through on those.

I find the hand prints and we were children graffiti moving. Its a much better way to protest without burning churches or damaging statues.

Something has really stuck with me I the last few weeks. I heard someone speaking about how they didn't even notify parents their child had died. Imagine that you wait and wait for child to come home and they dont show up ! Neighbors kid tells you they died. Makes me want to cry. That is pure @#$%ing cruelty.

We need to work harder on this and all racism.

 

[AlphaLackey]

I went and read TRC calls to action like Alpha suggested. No reason we can't follow through on those.

One of the things I've found valuable about the TRC Calls to Action, is that we can actually measure and see progress happening. Much like how visual signs of progress are extremely valuable in motivating for continuing with changes like weight loss, sobriety, ending debt(*), and so forth. We can see that, while change is slow doing it the "white moderate" way, it's still happening.

(yes, I know, I copy/pasted from my message I sent to a few of you )

Consider points 13-17 in the TRC Calls to Action. We now have more concerted efforts in society to preserve Indigenous languages. We now have post-secondary degrees in Indigenous languages . We now have a Commissioner for Indigenous Languages (Ronald Ignace). All of these are changes done in harmony; between you and me, between the Crown and Indigenous nations.

True North's work to bring sports to First Nations youths, far from being empty lip service, is one of many examples directly in line with points 87-91. Our prioritizing First Nations with COVID vaccines is a recent and VERY significant case directly in line with point 18. The federal government has dedicated significant money and resources to honoring Jordan's Principle (point 3). Children are now being given more direct education on Canada's history (in full candor) with Indigenous nations, from land acknowledgement announcements to truth about residential schools (points 62-65). And so forth.

Of course, this is not me saying the work is done, or even mostly done. It's simply a proof-of-concept that it can happen this way, and is happening this way. So let's keep on keeping on!

I find the hand prints and we were children graffiti moving. Its a much better way to protest without burning churches or damaging statues.

Something has really stuck with me I the last few weeks. I heard someone speaking about how they didn't even notify parents their child had died. Imagine that you wait and wait for child to come home and they dont show up ! Neighbors kid tells you they died. Makes me want to cry. That is pure @#$%ing cruelty.

We need to work harder on this and all racism.

Your example is a good one because it shows and emphasizes our common humanity. Whatever your culture, it is universally understood as a horrific and unnatural thing for a parent to bury their child, when it's absolutely goddamned supposed to be the other way around. Now, top that off with the uncertainty and the callousness and the depravity of it all? No one could (or at least, should) possibly be unmoved to accept and acknowledge what an unequivocal wrong this was.

* - (I suppose I told on myself, if those are the first three examples to pop into my head )

 

[AlphaLackey]

One more point in favor of this slower kind of change: of course, most everyone knows by now that tobacco products are bad news, and we're kind of moving away from liquor as a culture.

Okay, so let's say I have Thanos powers, and I snap my fingers.

And after all the f&*()#$( Canadians fans disappear, I snap my fingers again.

Poof, just like that, all the tobacco and liquor in the world is gone. All the industries are gone, all the knowledge to create these products is gone.

To say nothing of the people who would quite literally die from alcohol withdrawal, the world would be on fire in, what, 8 hours?

 

[spiny norman]

Nooooooooo
Fruit and pizza
Fruit and beer
Cranberry and Turkey

On Cranberry and Turkey, I agree 100%.

 

[tbcwpg]

England's big win today just setting up a bigger disappointment on Wednesday.

 

[Eyeseeing]

On Cranberry and Turkey, I agree 100%.

Fruit and manly stuff should never meet

 

[ps241]

England's big win today just setting up a bigger disappointment on Wednesday.

We keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 

[Ducky10]

We keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

It’s inevitable. I’m preparing myself right now for a stoppage time loss in the final to Italy. I can think of few worse things so I think I’m covered.

 

[Ducky10]

Nice to see Hendo finally score for England, very deserving.

 

[AlphaLackey]

I'd like to offer up this article (even as we continue to skate under the watchful eyes of the mods on this topic!) as a supportive counterpoint to my prior posts.

To raise awareness, Indigenous Canadiens fans will peacefully protest anthem - Sportsnet.ca

Let me be crystal clear: I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT support the Bonspiel's/Jacob's plans to peacefully protest the national anthem at game four. You all know I'm a gambling man, so you all know that "put your money where your mouth is!" is one of my biggest moral codes, and by god, buying home tickets to the Habs during the last game they'll play all year? That is a WHOLE DAMN LOT of money, so just for that reason alone, I admire their moxy.

And let me be clear again: my general "irrespective of your protest, laws still apply" sentiment you've heard regarding criminal acts of protest ALSO applies in defence of these people, who are ABSOLUTELY within their rights to protest how they see fit.

May no one harass them, may no one hector them, and may the absolute and full penalty of law fall on ANYONE who as much as lays a finger on them.

You don't like their protest? Then help make Canada a nation where they no longer feel the angry need to protest.

Also, read the article, you'll see these are two damn stand-up people.

 

[Jets 31]

I had mine this past Monday, Moderna. Felt pretty much exactly the way @Hunter368 described, except mine was the next morning and throughout the day. Felt quite a bit better by mid-afternoon in Wednesday. Could not have golfed the day after, would not have been fun.

So i got my second shot yesterday evening both were Pfizer , feel pretty good, i'm going golfing today damnit.

 

[AlphaLackey]

So i got my second shot yesterday evening both were Pfizer , feel pretty good, i'm going golfing today damnit.

Second shot for me today. Good thing I can work from a laptop, lol.