One McDavid or two Scheifeles to start a new team?

[TGWL]

Never understood the point of polls like this. 2/1 deals are just awful and make no sense. This isn't an NHL game where we turn off line changes and put McDavid on the ice the whole game, so who's the other center, or player?

 

[thadd]

I honestly don't understand how you take 1 McDavid and I'm an Oilers fan.

So if Edmonton trades McDavid for 2 Scheifeles for McDavid they can trade Drai for a #1 d-man and they'll be getting way more bang for their buck without having lost the slightest amount of depth.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

It warms my heart to see just how ridiculous the decks have to be stacked against McDavid for him to actually lose a poll.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

It warms my heart to see just how ridiculous the decks have to be stacked against McDavid for him to actually lose a poll.

If this one didn’t work the next poll was going to be:
1. McDavid blindfolded with his skates tied together.
Vs.
2. Insert another top players name.

 

[Zamuz]

Much easier to acquire than the best player in the world right now? Yes, absolutely.

to be completely honest, I think oilers would much rather take Scheifele's contract over McDavid's contract.

 

[Kamus]

Ok let's have some fun with this... Would you have on one line?

Scheif. Scheif Lowry

Vs

Maroon. Mcdavid. Rattie

15 millionish cap hit
Who would produce more ES?
Because that's the beauty with mcdavid. You can put him with plugs and he will make the 30 goal scorers

Or make it 20 millionish line
Scheif. Scheif. Wheeler

Vs

Rnh. Mcdavid. Maroon

 

[Tryblot]

to be completely honest, I think oilers would much rather take Scheifele's contract over McDavid's contract.

So you think the Oilers would trade McDavid for Schiefle?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

a
Scheifeles level player is much easier to acquire.

a player like McDavid might not come around for another 15 years.

I take the mcdavid level player and wait a few years to get my Scheifeles. I take one mcjebus over 3 Scheifeles.

This isn't collecting. It isn't about rarity. It is about production for the dollar.

 

[North Cole]

Probably McDavid, but it's super close for me. The raise the two Scheifele's get will be less than the raise that Connor McDavid gets, by % of their current contract. Assuming the two Scheifele's continue their trajectory.

McDavid could sign for as much as 15/16m as a 28 year old. The other two could sign for 11-12 if they keep producing at these levels, when his contract expires. Much bigger raise comparatively.

I'm conditioned to believe McDavid will age much like Crosby and still be a top player in his 30's, I'm less inclined to believe that with Scheifele. No slight against Scheifele of course. There is always a chance you end up in Chicago's situation if you have two players that do too well and sign big when it's time to get a raise. He won't leave money on the table... whether winnipeg has the cups or not, is of little concern to his next deal. I hope they do, I like the team.

 

[Hugh Mungus]

One Mcdavid, who said I wont be able to acquire a Scheifele type player? lol? Does taking Mcdavid mean i have Brandon Sutter as my 2C?

That's pretty offensive

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

One Mcdavid, who said I wont be able to acquire a Scheifele type player? lol? Does taking Mcdavid mean i have Brandon Sutter as my 2C?

If you have the 2 Scheifeles then you can afford to have McDavid's 2C as your 3C, and so on. It can run right down through your entire roster.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Would you rather have 2 Brayden Point's or 1 Auston Matthews? Serious question. Assuming Matthews is at 11 mil and Point is at 5.5.

Its the same question, just with different names.

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

This isn't basketball, it's hockey. Your best Forward plays 1/3 of a game.

 

[grieves]

C'mon two Scheifeles obviously.

Got your #1 and #2 Centers locked down with ridiculously valuable deals. You can use the effort & the cap to strengthen other needs of your team. Your clone Scheifele army will get the job done at center.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

The team with two Scheifeles is better

 

[Peggy]

It warms my heart to see just how ridiculous the decks have to be stacked against McDavid for him to actually lose a poll.

I unno why this is a ridiculous poll
Hfboards make it seem like you HAVE to have the best player in the league

So would you rather have 2 top 10 centres on your team for cheaper? Or 1 McDavid?
It's a real question because it's a possibility

 

[Peggy]

Probably McDavid, but it's super close for me. The raise the two Scheifele's get will be less than the raise that Connor McDavid gets, by % of their current contract. Assuming the two Scheifele's continue their trajectory.

McDavid could sign for as much as 15/16m as a 28 year old. The other two could sign for 11-12 if they keep producing at these levels, when his contract expires. Much bigger raise comparatively.

I'm conditioned to believe McDavid will age much like Crosby and still be a top player in his 30's, I'm less inclined to believe that with Scheifele. No slight against Scheifele of course. There is always a chance you end up in Chicago's situation if you have two players that do too well and sign big when it's time to get a raise. He won't leave money on the table... whether winnipeg has the cups or not, is of little concern to his next deal. I hope they do, I like the team.

Youre worried about 6 years from now?
Youre assuming a lot of things here
But youre not assuming you cant trade one and youre ignoring the fact you'd have 2 scheifele's for 8 years in total

It's all about NOW not 10 years from later..
The jets window for a cup is basically the length of scheifele's contract

 

[Critical13]

Scheifele is elite, but McDavid is a God.

 

[Zamuz]

So you think the Oilers would trade McDavid for Schiefle?

yes If you consider the contracts.

Jets would not trade though

 

[Tryblot]

yes If you consider the contracts.

Jets would not trade though

I highly, highly doubt that.

 

[Juicy Pop]

I'm voting for Scheifele, but I can see an argument for McDavid if you trust your scouting/drafting staff and value slot efficiency above all.

It's impossible to find that sort of a player outside of a rare-1OA bid but you can occasionally find a player of Scheifele's caliber in the latter phases of the 1st round.

 

[McVespa99]

to be completely honest, I think oilers would much rather take Scheifele's contract over McDavid's contract.

100% true. As long as we did not have to take Scheifele with the contract and got to keep McD. Otherwise... Not a chance in hell

 

[North Cole]

Youre worried about 6 years from now?
Youre assuming a lot of things here
But youre not assuming you cant trade one and youre ignoring the fact you'd have 2 scheifele's for 8 years in total

It's all about NOW not 10 years from later..
The jets window for a cup is basically the length of scheifele's contract

Of course I'm assuming a lot of things, the OP is a shell of a thread and asks which you prefer in a vacuum. This is why these threads are pretty insignificant....they just leave so much out to the point where you have to make your own assumptions.

Why are you bringing up the Jets, etc? You're assuming you get to keep the whole of the Jets roster. Drai, RNH, Talbot don't exist in this poll. Neither does Wheeler, Laine, Buf etc. There are only three players you need to concern yourself with, nothing at all to do with the Jets "window"....

Pound for pound with only McDavid + blank roster VS 2X Scheif + a blank roster, why wouldn't you take BPA? I only have 2X scheif for 6 years because that is what remains on his contract, not 8. I get McDavid at 12.5m for an extra 2 years before he is due his raise. 2 Years of cost certainty is not nothing...

It's not all about Now. No GM should be in NOW mode, it's about building something that can compete and still be sustainable. It's hard to win in this iteration of the NHL, so going for bust seems like a bad idea. IMO.

 

[Peggy]

Of course I'm assuming a lot of things, the OP is a shell of a thread and asks which you prefer in a vacuum. This is why these threads are pretty insignificant....they just leave so much out to the point where you have to make your own assumptions.

Why are you bringing up the Jets, etc? You're assuming you get to keep the whole of the Jets roster. Drai, RNH, Talbot don't exist in this poll. Neither does Wheeler, Laine, Buf etc. There are only three players you need to concern yourself with, nothing at all to do with the Jets "window"....

Pound for pound with only McDavid + blank roster VS 2X Scheif + a blank roster, why wouldn't you take BPA? I only have 2X scheif for 6 years because that is what remains on his contract, not 8. I get McDavid at 12.5m for an extra 2 years before he is due his raise. 2 Years of cost certainty is not nothing...

It's not all about Now. No GM should be in NOW mode, it's about building something that can compete and still be sustainable. It's hard to win in this iteration of the NHL, so going for bust seems like a bad idea. IMO.

It's rhe only waybto make sense ofnit
As an oilers fan OR a jets fan
I'd take 2 scheifele's jist based on the math of it

1 player who costs 12 million that can get you ~100 points
Or 2 centres that cost 12 million in total that can get you ~80 points each

160 points>100

And no. It's always about now because you can never guarantee another tomorrow.
While you shouldn't always put all your eggs in one basket you still to have eggs in your basket lol

So im not saying trade all your assets, but we're living inna vacuum and just go by basic math

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

I would rather have:

1 McDavid + 1 above average GM. That beats two Scheifeles all day. Sadly we don't have even an average GM.