Hintz had more playoff points in this year's playoffs than Lindholm has in his entire career.Rewind a season and Lindholm absolutely destroyed Hintz head to head in the playoffs...
Hintz had more playoff points in this year's playoffs than Lindholm has in his entire career.Rewind a season and Lindholm absolutely destroyed Hintz head to head in the playoffs...
Sounds like a pretty routine trade negotiation.
Hintz had more playoff points in this year's playoffs than Lindholm has in his entire career.
And he had 25 points (9 goals) in his first 44 playoff games..
Kaprizov was a complete no show for you guys this playoffs - does that make him useless?
It's a silly argument to make.
I think you can try making this argument again if Lindholm ever has a run like Hintz did. Otherwise it doesn't change the fact that Hintz had more points this year than Lindholm has in his career.
Also, unironically, that 25 points in 44 games was only marginally worse (0.06 points per game) than Lindholm's numbers, so I'm not even sure that's the dunk you think it is. At worst, Hintz is equal to Lindholm. At best, he's far better.
And yeah, Kaprizov was useless this year. I'm not sure how that strengthens your argument but alas.
What argument am I trying to make? I simply pointed out that using such small data points when comparing players is a silly. Hintz got hot for 19 games at a crucial time of year - that doesn't make him a significantly better player than Lindholm. They are both fantastic hockey players, and certainly (at this point) in the same tier of talent.
I am not sure what your insistence is on discrediting Lindholm in this thread.
Kaprizov was injured and came back just before the playoffs started. His playoff performance was highly disappointing, but one that has at least some semblance of a valid explanation. Kaprizov also get major props for basically dragging a mediocre team into the playoffs.And he had 25 points (9 goals) in his first 44 playoff games..
Kaprizov was a complete no show for you guys this playoffs - does that make him useless?
It's a silly argument to make.
Saying hintz is the most important player on the stars is such a joke take. Choose between miro, Robertson and hintz i guarantee you hintz is first off the team. Hintz is the 3rd or 4th best player on hes own team.That's crazy man. Lindholm was the most important player on a team that didn't make the playoffs. Hintz was the most important player on a team that went to game 6 of the conference finals. It's not the same.
Unless some new info has come out since the last time I saw an actual offer from a Flames fan, the "quibbling about the secondary stuff" has come down to whether the "secondary stuff" is a 3rd round pick/cap dump like Foligno, or if it's another 1st+2nd round pick. So that's a pretty major chasm.
It’s finding common ground between the 1st and the 3rd.I would wager most routine trade negotiations aren't that far apart in value. The difference between a 1st+2nd and 3rd+Foligno is not small.
It’s finding common ground between the 1st and the 3rd.
My insistence on discrediting Lindholm is because this is a discussion board, and I'm discussing how Lindholm isn't as good as you're trying to make him out to be.
Like you actually said (presumably with a straight face) that we shouldn't put any stock into Hintz's playoff run this year because it was just a hot streak at the right time. Meanwhile, you're pulling out all the excuses for how Lindholm would have scored 72 points (his average per 82 with Calgary) instead of 64 points if only he had better wingers, or that Lindholm was in fact the one that carried Tkachuk and Gaudreau to their 100+ point seasons by "doing all the heavy lifting".
You are bending over backwards to make Lindholm look better than he is, and you are sweeping everything that says otherwise under the rug as trivial.
So what is your insistence on pumping Lindholm's tires? Is your end goal to get people on a message board to agree to offer you the asinine request of top prospect+1st+1st+2nd that some of your fellow Flames fans have asked for? Will that make you guys feel better when he ultimately doesn't return that because he's clearly not worth that?
Rossi + 21 + 2nd + whatever we can get for Foligno somewhere if it’s at least a 2nd rounder probably.So what is the common ground between Rossi+1st+1st+2nd and Rossi+1st+3rd?
This is a 70 point center with one year remaining on his contract, mind you.
Even just comparing them this year they really aren't that far apart at all at 5v5 play.Saying hintz is the most important player on the stars is such a joke take. Choose between miro, Robertson and hintz i guarantee you hintz is first off the team. Hintz is the 3rd or 4th best player on hes own team.
Rossi + 21 + 2nd + whatever we can get for Foligno somewhere if it’s at least a 2nd rounder probably.
Or we add in a 2nd 1st and Calgary adds a 2nd, and we keep what we get for Foligno. Wouldn’t be ideal, but should probably at least be discussed.
Obviously this wouldn’t be for 1 year of Lindholm. That worry would have to be quashed in whatever way it can.
Does Rossi suck now lolSo the compromise to Rossi+1st+1st+2nd vs Rossi+1st+3rd is Rossi+1st+2nd+2nd? That hardly seems like a compromise. Why not Rossi+1st+3rd+3rd?
Or Rossi+1st+1st+2nd for Lindholm+2nd? Yeah that doesn't move the needle much when we're still giving up Rossi+1st+1st. The only change there is we move up ~5-10 picks in the second round?
Let's call it Rossi+1st+Foligno for Lindholm. Calgary gets their prospect and a first, then whatever they want to use Foligno for, while we get Lindholm+cap space to fit Lindholm? If Foligno is worth a 2nd, that's Rossi+1st+2nd. More than fair for a 70 point center.
Does Rossi suck now lol
A compromise, yes. Not the compromise to end all compromises. I certainly give it more thought than I do Rossi + 1st + 1st + 2nd.So the compromise to Rossi+1st+1st+2nd vs Rossi+1st+3rd is Rossi+1st+2nd+2nd? That hardly seems like a compromise. Why not Rossi+1st+3rd+3rd?
Or Rossi+1st+1st+2nd for Lindholm+2nd? Yeah that doesn't move the needle much when we're still giving up Rossi+1st+1st. The only change there is we move up ~5-10 picks in the second round?
Let's call it Rossi+1st+Foligno for Lindholm. Calgary gets their prospect and a first, then whatever they want to use Foligno for, while we get Lindholm+cap space to fit Lindholm? If Foligno is worth a 2nd, that's Rossi+1st+2nd. More than fair for a 70 point center.
A compromise, yes. Not the compromise to end all compromises. I certainly give it more thought than I do Rossi + 1st + 1st + 2nd.
If Calgary is fine with the two 3rds, by all means.
I would expect nothing less of any fan of any team.Well I'm looking, but so far the only deals I've really seen are from one Flames fan who's expecting something similar to Rossi+1st+1st+2nd or Sillinger+Boqvist+1st+2nd and laughs at anything below that.
I would expect nothing less of any fan of any team.
I don’t think that’s quite what I’d call it.Then why are you here trying to find common ground?
Yeah, I don’t follow the Wild closely so was surprised a Wild fan put his name forward. Regressed a bit more than expected?He doesn't suck, he still projects as a top six two-way center. If he still had the value he had when he was drafted, he wouldn't be anywhere near a conversation about Elias Lindholm.