Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Brandon Sutter and Sam Gagner to PTOs

[fireantz]

IMO it depends on whether either would consider Bakersfield, as both would help depth in case of injury. On a 21 man roster, Gagner would have to beat Ryan or Janmark to stick. Sutter would have to beat Pederson. I don’t see either happening but as injury(LTIR) replacements both would be better than AHL call ups. Lavoie has to beat out Holloway to stick. I see a lot of 11/7 coming again this season. Also, if Sutter has a good camp he may have options with other teams with capspace

 

[WaitingForUser]

With Gagner, I like the feel-good story more than I like the player.

My big issue between Gagner, Sutter, and Caggiula is relatively poor showing in the playoffs in really small sample sizes.

We're a lock for the playoffs. We need guys that can elevate not shrivvel during a 7 game series.

I want some cup winning pedigree or veterans who have positive playoff experience. Not 3 players with 1500 NHL games and 5 playoff goals.


Seriously? Why not Hagelin or Stastny?

I’m telling you now if Sam plays a game for the oilers in the playoffs he will leave absolutely everything on the ice every shift. The guy bleeds copper and blue or blue and orange if you prefer and will go through a wall for a chance at it.

 

[Drivesaitl]

This has never and will never be the case. There are enough contenders in the league that people will opt to play in America or on a coast. The only reason anyone would take a 'discount' to play here would be on a one year deal during a cap hellish COVID situation in hopes to catapult their value with McDrai and then flee. We saw it with Barrie and Kane, and now Brown. All guaranteed to play with one of the two best centres in the league for one season at a time, or on the PP. All of them coming in and then exploring free agency trying to find a bigger pay day. Luckily teams smartened up and realized the McDrai effect for a guy like Barrie gives them an extra 50 points a year they aren't getting anywhere else. Barrie led all NHL defencemen in points and didn't sniff Norris votes. It will be the same for Bouchard. Now you have to wonder how valuable Bouchard actually is. Is he a better defender than Barrie? A better skater? I don't think so, and Barrie is at best a middling guy, preferably used as a PP specialist. So what's Bouchard? He is fulfilling the same role Barrie did with a similar skill set.

Barrie was a cap dump for us essentially. We moved him along with two first round picks in order to move enough salary to get Ekholm. Erik Karlsson went for significantly less, despite being the Norris winner. Yes I understand the variables with timing, salaries, etc. The point remains that in all likelihood Bouchard will be one of the top scoring defencemen in the league this year. That's practically a guarantee. Does that make him a top pairing defenceman? It didn't make Barrie one, not even close, so how will we evaluate him?

Went off track a bit there, but what I'm trying to say is that nobody is ever going to come here taking less money to win a Cup. They might come here claiming that, when in reality they will finish up the season on a one year deal, test free agency with their padded stats, and go from there. There is no loyalty among these mercenary types. Barrie and Kane both tested free agency and were turned away by the bigger brain clubs who knew their statlines were byproducts of getting fed the most prime minutes in the league. I like Kane as a player when he is healthy, and at his salary that's a good deal, however it's telling that no other club was offering him more.

We'll never see a guy like Patrick Kane sign here on a min league deal to try and win a Cup. Or anyone really, when there are teams like Vegas and Florida and Tampa who are not only better but in way nicer climates. A tale as old as time.

Can't agree that living in the desert is a better climate. Better scenery in town, yes. heh

Doesn't matter what I think, players in this age like playing in the US more. It may not always be the case but it is now.

 

[duul]

Can't agree that living in the desert is a better climate. Better scenery in town, yes. heh

Doesn't matter what I think, players in this age like playing in the US more. It may not always be the case but it is now.

If not the climate, maybe the landscape? Or the view? Something about the night life in Vegas I hear is appealing.

 

[Drivesaitl]

If not the climate, maybe the landscape? Or the view? Something about the night life in Vegas I hear is appealing.

If I was 30 or something. At this age hard pass. lol Nightlife at this point is a couple drinks wearing slippers before going to bed with the wife.

hehe

jk aside would be cool to go to a game in Vegas. I like the looks of that arena lots. I hate gambling with a passion. Seen it destroy so many lives and families. Being that Vegas is all about gambling it wouldn't be the place for me. I feel the same way going to the DT arena. I think the Casino there is a terrible thing to have. Despicable as a society that we further such corruption and devastation. Seems odd that a hundred years ago on the continent we had the FBI going on organized crime and gambling and putting ice on the criminals. Now the criminals control everything. Different topic...

 

[subnet]

Watching the Oil in Vegas is fun as hell! They really know how to put in a show. It helps when 1/2 the fans are wearing Orange sweaters. Of course all the 1/2 dozen times we went there to see a game, we FINALLY won one last year. I have bad timing apparently!

The wife and I go to Vegas at least 2 times per year. It’s never about the gambling for us but hockey and more importantly the food. I agree too many lives wrecked.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

IMO it depends on whether either would consider Bakersfield, as both would help depth in case of injury. On a 21 man roster, Gagner would have to beat Ryan or Janmark to stick. Sutter would have to beat Pederson. I don’t see either happening but as injury(LTIR) replacements both would be better than AHL call ups. Lavoie has to beat out Holloway to stick. I see a lot of 11/7 coming again this season. Also, if Sutter has a good camp he may have options with other teams with capspace

Considering what both are coming back from (double hip surgery for Gags and long covid for Sutter), starting the year in Bakersfield and using that as a chance to rehab/ get into hockey share for a month or two wouldn't be the worst idea.

It would also give the Oil a chance to accrue the cap space to run a 22 man roster.

 

[joestevens29]

Considering what both are coming back from (double hip surgery for Gags and long covid for Sutter), starting the year in Bakersfield and using that as a chance to rehab/ get into hockey share for a month or two wouldn't be the worst idea.

It would also give the Oil a chance to accrue the cap space to run a 22 man roster.

I don't think Gagner will go to the AHL. Most definitely not Bakersfield.

That whole issue came up when he was in Vancouver and they ended up finding a way for him to play for the Marlies and not the Utica Comets.

Maybe for a short stint, but I could see him retiring instead of spending a couple months in Bakersfield.

Keep in mind it's not a money thing for him, it's family.

 

[FlameChampion]

Considering what both are coming back from (double hip surgery for Gags and long covid for Sutter), starting the year in Bakersfield and using that as a chance to rehab/ get into hockey share for a month or two wouldn't be the worst idea.

It would also give the Oil a chance to accrue the cap space to run a 22 man roster.

It would be nice. The team doesn’t really have many guys from Bakersfield that are NHL ready. Some extra depth would be nice if there are injuries. Most of the Bakersfield guys are really young or they are older and pretty fringe.

Not sure if they are willing to play in California though.

 

[Perfect_Drug]

If not the climate, maybe the landscape? Or the view? Something about the night life in Vegas I hear is appealing.

I didn't fully "understand" Vegas until my company flew us all out there for our Christmas party (30mins away from LA).

I saw several of my managers gamble away their mortgage payments, and then lose another $30k.
At least 15 colleagues cheated on their wives with prostitutes (most of them high on cocaine). They pretty much all ended up in divorce over this night.

It's a city built on addiction, and prostitution. It's why it's called 'Sin City', and why their saying is "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

I found it to be a a very very sad place, and I don't plan on ever going back. If my current company flies us out there for a party, I will likely pass. It's just gross.

I'm sure other people will have fun anecdotal stories about the Hard Rock Hotel pool, or some non-debauchery stuff they did.


But the point of Vegas is gambling, cocaine and hookers. And that kinda has to be your "thing".

 

[bellagiobob]

I didn't fully "understand" Vegas until my company flew us all out there for our Christmas party (30mins away from LA).

I saw several of my managers gamble away their mortgage payments, and then lose another $30k.
At least 15 colleagues cheated on their wives with prostitutes (most of them high on cocaine). They pretty much all ended up in divorce over this night.

It's a city built on addiction, and prostitution. It's why it's called 'Sin City', and why their saying is "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

I found it to be a a very very sad place, and I don't plan on ever going back. If my current company flies us out there for a party, I will likely pass. It's just gross.

I'm sure other people will have fun anecdotal stories about the Hard Rock Hotel pool, or some non-debauchery stuff they did.


But the point of Vegas is gambling, cocaine and hookers. And that kinda has to be your "thing".

I’ve been to Vegas more times than I can remember, upwards of 40. Gambling was always a part of it, but always within a defined limit. Hookers and coke were never a consideration, lol. Lots of pool time, great shows and restaurants, shopping, sports bars, etc. If someone is inclined to cheat on their spouse it’s pretty doubtful it was a one off just in Vegas.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I’ve been to Vegas more times than I can remember, upwards of 40. Gambling was always a part of it, but always within a defined limit. Hookers and coke were never a consideration, lol. Lots of pool time, great shows and restaurants, shopping, sports bars, etc. If someone is inclined to cheat on their spouse it’s pretty doubtful it was a one off just in Vegas.

I’ve been around 10 times, only take the money im willing to lose for gambling.

Also been many trips where I’ve barely gambled and just enjoyed shows, walking down the strip with a Fat Tuesday late at night, etc..

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

 

[brentashton]

I didn't fully "understand" Vegas until my company flew us all out there for our Christmas party (30mins away from LA).

I saw several of my managers gamble away their mortgage payments, and then lose another $30k.
At least 15 colleagues cheated on their wives with prostitutes (most of them high on cocaine). They pretty much all ended up in divorce over this night.

It's a city built on addiction, and prostitution. It's why it's called 'Sin City', and why their saying is "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".

I found it to be a a very very sad place, and I don't plan on ever going back. If my current company flies us out there for a party, I will likely pass. It's just gross.

I'm sure other people will have fun anecdotal stories about the Hard Rock Hotel pool, or some non-debauchery stuff they did.


But the point of Vegas is gambling, cocaine and hookers. And that kinda has to be your "thing".

Hookers, blow and gambling exist in many spaces in North America, not just Las Vegas. I do concede that it’s widespread and easily available in Vegas. However if your peers’ lack of self control and poor decision making imploded in Vegas, chances are that the potential existed that it would happen elsewhere. I can’t buy blaming Vegas for that. That’s just me.

I’ve been to Vegas about 12 times and I drive through it 2-4 times a year. I’ve spent more money on gambling at OEG 50/50 draws than I have in Vegas. Tickets on shows though, that’s a different story. Absolute Mecca for world class entertainment in one space.

 

[brentashton]

Can't agree that living in the desert is a better climate. Better scenery in town, yes. heh

Doesn't matter what I think, players in this age like playing in the US more. It may not always be the case but it is now.

I applaud you for reading that wall of alphabet.