Speculation: Offseason Thread XVII: Trade a spade for a jade

[Gardner McKay]

How crazy if HF going to get when Gorton trades Nash at full value with no money retained?

It is certainly possible although in my opinion, unlikely. Wouldn't surprise me if Nash finishes out this contract in a Ranger uni.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Fair ?.
Short, direct answer is

Skjei
Holden
Graves

I believe we can add suitable LD as needed.

I have a multiple scenario deal which moves Staal, but he would be in there until then. Revised version of the last big scenario.

I'll have for you Sat-ish
thanks, am swamped

bye

So you trade McD and roll with a LD core that features Holden as the most experienced and your 1LD has all of 7 games experience?

Also, just because one poster agrees to one of your millions of trade proposals, doesn't make it set in stone or any more likely to happen. Holy moly

 

[Riche16]

I truly hope that's the case but its possible that may be hard to envision for this reason. If Nash has a rebound year (and many think he will) the Rangers probably are in a playoff spot and I find it hard to believe the Rangers would flip Nash to another contender for picks at that point. I hope Gorton sticks with the plan and would trade him when his value is high but would he be a seller on Nash if lets say Nash is having a 30 plus goal season and the team is top 4-5 in the standings in the east?

Except that Nash could have a 30+ goal season and with our defense that may not be nearly enough

 

[haohmaru]

Fair ?.
Short, direct answer is

Skjei
Holden
Graves

bye

That would be the worst starting left side in the NHL.

 

[Trxjw]

How crazy if HF going to get when Gorton trades Nash at full value with no money retained?

Probably focusing way too much on the cap dump we took back.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That would be the worst starting left side in the NHL.

Oh, he was talking about our NHL line-up? See, I get confused with all these line-ups with players who aren't allowed to buy a beer on friday night.

 

[silverfish]

Dom to the B's. Should have a nice rebound year with good linemates.

 

[rangers1314]

Bruins signed Dom Moore, best of luck to him.

 

[silverfish]

Live look-in on Dominic Moore realizing Tanner Glass isn't his winger anymore

 

[Mac n Gs]

Happy for Dom. Guy's always been a class act

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Live look-in on Dominic Moore realizing Tanner Glass isn't his winger anymore

"Dominic crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of **** smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile."

"Dominic Moore... who crawled through a river of **** and came out clean on the other side. Dominic Moore... headed for the Atlantic Division."

 

[silverfish]

"Dominic crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of **** smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile."

"Dominic Moore... who crawled through a river of **** and came out clean on the other side. Dominic Moore... headed for the Atlantic Division."

Read this entire thing in Morgan Freeman's voice.

 

[Doctor King Schultz]

Good for Dom but his offense completely dried up last year

 

[Tawnos]

Dom to the B's. Should have a nice rebound year with good linemates.

His legs were gone last year. I'm not sure better linemates are going to help him. Rooting for the guy though.

 

[FLYLine27*]

Moore got another contract?!


WOW. Good for him I guess, but he is not an NHLer anymore.

 

[Gardner McKay]

His legs were gone last year. I'm not sure better linemates are going to help him. Rooting for the guy though.

It was a common problem throughout our team.

 

[rangers1314]

Stoll got a PTO from the Jackets.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

"Dominic crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of **** smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile."

"Dominic Moore... who crawled through a river of **** and came out clean on the other side. Dominic Moore... headed for the Atlantic Division."

He crawled through 82 games with a left winger of ****....and came out Corsi negative on the other side....

Class act, glad we had him back. Remember him stepping up in the Montreal series

 

[eco's bones]

Personally I didn't want Moore back but it's good to see he's found another team. He is a good guy. There was no point for us--35 years old and it seemed to me he was running on fumes in the second half of last season. If he was going to continue he needed a fresh start.

 

[Raspewtin]

Stoll got a PTO from the Jackets.

it's like the Jackets hate good players.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That would be the worst starting left side in the NHL.

It's a Calder line up, as in AHL Calder

 

[bernmeister]

So you trade McD and roll with a LD core that features Holden as the most experienced and your 1LD has all of 7 games experience?

Also, just because one poster agrees to one of your millions of trade proposals, doesn't make it set in stone or any more likely to happen. Holy moly

the overall pluses outweigh the negatives, esp long term

like it or not, win now will yield...

That would be the worst starting left side in the NHL.

arguably not, but no matter, even IF that were the case, for how long?

THAT'S the point.
Skjei can cut it
Graves 3 pair minutes not unreasonable
Holden played well under bad circumstances.

give these guys good matching partners, yeah there's a learning curve, but THAT IS TEMPORARY.

get real, and get over it

If you REALLY want to advance the team ASAP, you make this kind of sink or swim move.

I agree it is a gamble, but a prudent one. all things considered.

Oh, he was talking about our NHL line-up? See, I get confused with all these line-ups with players who aren't allowed to buy a beer on friday night.

It's a Calder line up, as in AHL Calder

Yeah. funny (not).
be that as it may, like it or not
YOUTH WILL BE SERVED.

.... there's a reason it's a saying
just sayin

"Dominic crawled to freedom through five hundred yards of **** smelling foulness I can't even imagine, or maybe I just don't want to. Five hundred yards... that's the length of five football fields, just shy of half a mile."

"Dominic Moore... who crawled through a river of **** and came out clean on the other side. Dominic Moore... headed for the Atlantic Division."

Read this entire thing in Morgan Freeman's voice.

His legs were gone last year. I'm not sure better linemates are going to help him. Rooting for the guy though.

Dat^.

 

[RangerBoy]

Craig Custance compared the Penguins to the teams in the Metro division

But there are qualities of the Penguins' blueprint that are a near necessity to be considered a true Stanley Cup contender, including these five:

1. A franchise centerman: Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin are just the latest in a long line of franchise centers to win a Stanley Cup. It’s almost at the point now where you may be able to rule out really good teams out if they don’t have one. Pittsburgh happens to have two.

2. A franchise defenseman who can play 30 minutes if necessary: Kris Letang was fantastic in the postseason last spring. Just like Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith and Zdeno Chara before him.

3. Major contributions from players on entry-level deals: It’s a must-have in the salary cap economy. Championship rosters can’t only be built on expensive veterans. To have high-paid stars, teams need contributions from young players on their first contract. The Penguins don’t win the Cup without goaltender Matt Murray. He made $642,500 last season.

4. Three skilled scoring lines: Much of the Penguins' success can be traced to the creation of the Nick Bonino, Phil Kessel and Carl Hagelin line. It made the Penguins all but unstoppable while teams focused on Crosby and Malkin.

5. A mobile defense: You need defensemen who can quickly get the puck and start the transition the other way, ideally getting the puck to forwards with a head of steam. Adding a defenseman like Trevor Daley midseason helped transform the Penguins. The more puck-movers, the better on defense.

So how do the other teams in the NHL stack up in these five categories? We’ll examine that in the next two weeks, starting with the Metropolitan Division:

1. Franchise centerman: This has been the knock on the Rangers the past several seasons. Derek Stepan is a good center, but he isn’t a franchise center.

2. Big-minute franchise defenseman: Ryan McDonagh qualifies here. He’s still one of the best, finishing No. 15 in Norris Trophy voting last season.

3. Entry-level contributors: This is the biggest payoff of GM Jeff Gorton landing Jimmy Vesey. He may not live up to the hype, but he’s going to out-produce his contract. For a team that hasn’t had first-round picks recently, the Rangers have done a nice job bringing in talent on the cheap, either in the form of college free agents or bargain-bin veterans like Brandon Pirri and Michael Grabner.

4. Three skilled scoring lines: The emergence of J.T. Miller helps the cause here, but the Rangers' depth up front has taken a hit the last couple seasons as the price tags on their young talent have gone up.

5. Mobile defense: The loss of Keith Yandle hurts, as does the decline of Dan Girardi. The Rangers' defense still needs a retooling for New York to be considered among the East’s elite.

Total: Two out of five. As long as Henrik Lundqvist is in goal, you can’t discount the Rangers' chances, but this group looks more like a team in transition than a true Stanley Cup contender.

http://www.espn.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=8109

A team in transition does not trade for a soon to be 28 year old D and give him 7 years/$49M.

 

[rangers1314]

Craig Custance compared the Penguins to the teams in the Metro division





http://www.espn.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=8109

A team in transition does not trade for a soon to be 28 year old D and give him 7 years/$49M.

Depending on how Hayes bounces back, they could have the 3 skilled lines. But I agree with him on everything else.

 

[Don Chytil]

Out of those 5 criteria, I think the Rangers are strongest in the "3 skilled scoring lines" one. McD is a great d-man, but I'm not convinced he can match what Letang and Keith brought to the table these past couple years.